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PostPosted: December 21 17, 1:18 pm 
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I realize that having each of these guys pan out is unrealistic. However having three of them around gives you a better chance at at least one hitting their ceiling. You give up two of them for Archer, and then he goes and blows out his shoulder or just doesn’t turn that corner in the NL like you hoped, and that would be a crusher.


Yeah, I would trade any one of them for Archer, but not 2. I would also go down system a little and give up a guy that we'll probably really like in 1-2 years. Maybe Hicks, but definitely Fernandez, Hudson, etc.


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PostPosted: December 21 17, 1:34 pm 
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Just to be clear, what exactly are we arguing here? Whether Archer is an upgrade for the Cardinals rotation? Of course he would be. He slots in at 1/2 with Carlos Martinez, and pushes either Wacha or Wainwright to the bullpen.

Or are we arguing if Archer's cost of acquisition is worth pursuing him over other options? If the cost to acquire is more than two of Reyes/Weaver/Flaherty/Kelly, I'm going to prefer other options. Yu Darvish or Jake Arrieta both could slot in at that same 1/2 spot in the rotation, and only cost cash--which we have plenty of. Then you get to hang on to Reyes, Flaherty, and Weaver to see how they all pan out to fill in that back of the rotation.


I'm talking about the Cardinals pooling their resources for better players instead of spending $14-15 million and two roster spots on Mikolas and Gregerson. That morphed into a debate about whether Archer is overrated.


Well I don't think everyone was talking to you then. Because most of us were debating the merits of a Flaherty+Weaver+Kelly+Grichuk package for Archer+Colome.

That's not about pooling financial resources. That's about reducing your pool of exciting pitching prospects from 3 down to 1, plus giving up possibly the best catcher prospect in MLB. That's the kind of package you give up for a Chris Sale, not a Chris Archer IMO.


Prospects are resources. The objective of this offseason, supposedly, was to turn their glut of outfielders and starters into superior players to alleviate a logjam. Ultimately, I don't think the Cardinals have the stomach to trade someone they truly value. Some of these guys better turn into stars or they'll spin their wheels forever.


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PostPosted: January 12 18, 7:12 pm 
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Colome avoided arbitration and agreed to $5.3 million for this season-- exact same amount as Wacha.


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PostPosted: January 12 18, 9:18 pm 
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Colome avoided arbitration and agreed to $5.3 million for this season-- exact same amount as Wacha.

Good for him. I don't much like Colome.


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Hesitant to commit to heavy workload relievers. Sign Gregerson who has exact same number of appearances last year as Colome.


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PostPosted: January 14 18, 1:46 pm 
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MrCrowesGarden wrote:
Hesitant to commit to heavy workload relievers. Sign Gregerson who has exact same number of appearances last year as Colome.


Yeah, I found that one ironic.


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PostPosted: January 14 18, 1:49 pm 
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I really wanted Alcantara to be our dominant closer for the next 4-5 years.

Oh well, happy with Ozuna.


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PostPosted: January 14 18, 2:35 pm 
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MrCrowesGarden wrote:
Hesitant to commit to heavy workload relievers. Sign Gregerson who has exact same number of appearances last year as Colome.



I wonder which "source" made this statement, and where it came from.


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