Shutting down Strasburg

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Re: Shutting down Strasburg

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Stark had a good piece about this today. More interesting to me, though, is the comments that Cole Hamels makes about Chris Carpenter toward the end of the article. He talks about how what Carpenter did in the '11 postseason will be remembered forever... no one will remember that Carp missed the next season due to an injury that was almost certainly caused by his extended workload in the '11 run. Everyone will remember how dominant he was.

First, I thought that was great insight by Hamels and showed an absolutely ton of respect to Carpenter for what he did to the Phillies.

Second, I think that we, as fans, recognize exactly what Hamels is saying. Is anyone here disappointed in Carpenter this season because he didn't pitch this season? I'm not. I wish he was out there, sure, but if he never pitches again, he'll never be anything less than a Cardinals hero and legend. His injury and the potential end of his career (almost certainly caused by his workload in '11) makes him that much more of a hero and a legend. I hope he comes back and does it all again next year, but if he doesn't, then I still want to see him standing up there on Opening Day with Brock and Gibson and Whitey and Ozzie in a half dozen years and for every year after that. He's earned it. You could put his name and number on the outfield wall and he would fit with everyone else.

The Nationals might not give Strasburg the chance to make that kind of legacy happen and they're probably wrong to assume that it will be there in future seasons. It get it, I suppose, but with a team like the Nationals and their history (or complete lack thereof), they are denying Strasburg and fans the opportunity to make some real history.

Edit: forgot the link to the article: http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/82534 ... -let-pitch

And the quotes from Hamels and Carpenter:
Chris Carpenter hasn't thrown a pitch since Game 7 of the World Series. Does anyone think he would trade his World Series ring to make 30 starts this season? No chance.

He knew this past October that he was pushing himself beyond his threshold of fatigue and soreness. But that, he said, is "what you're supposed to do. It's not a phenomenon. It's what you're supposed to do. That's what makes you a pitcher. That's what makes you a professional. You pitch. That's what makes you an ace."

Even Hamels, whose team got bounced from the playoffs because of an October Carpenter masterpiece, understands exactly why Carpenter made the sacrifices he made.

"That World Series will go on forever," Hamels said. "He'll always be known for what he did then, not for the season he missed the following year. I don't think anybody will remember Carpenter missing the season. They'll remember how dominant he was in the World Series."

Be aware of this: These October warriors understand the risks they're taking, the potential jeopardy to their futures, when they reach for greatness in the autumn chill. But they go out there anyway.

"It's in the heart and personality of a champion and a big leaguer," said Hershiser. "They've got risk in their heart. They just look at risk and say, 'I'm going for it.' You know, heroes fear taking risk like everyone else. They just spit in its face."

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The backlash to Carp's injury on this forum this year compared to years past (ie complains about paying an injury prone pitcher a high salary to see him injured) was quite muted compared to his previous injuries. That's entirely contributed to his post-season performance, imo.

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It's tough to compare Carp to Strasburg though. Carp was what 36-37 years old last year? Had won a Cy Young award. Had a WS ring, a couple pennants, multiple post season victories. Etc Etc Etc. He's in the twilight of his career. Would he trade another shot at a WS for two years of an increased likelihood of being injury free in the final years of his career? Hell no. That's an easy question. However, Strasburg hasn't proven [expletive] yet. He's a pissant compared to Carpenter when accomplishments are compared. Should he risk an increased likelihood of being injury free for the rest of his career for that one chance at a WS? When you compare the risk of losing two years at the end of an accomplished career vs the risk of losing 15 years of a career that just began....well, it's apples to oranges.

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There's no guarantee of 2011 post season Carp-like results just because someone is overworked.

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Awful. I hope they lose.

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Oh, and here's another, scarier quote from that article above.
"In baseball, this is as groundbreaking as 'Moneyball' was in 2001," said Stan Conte, senior director of medical services for the Dodgers and a man who has been tracking baseball injury data for more than a decade.
Get used to seeing this a lot. Get used to baseball teams sitting their young pitching down because, you know, a World Series isn't important or anything.

Awful, awful, awful.

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And it's fair to ask whether the Nationals owe it to him to find some new course that would allow him to pitch those games -- and whether they owe it to his teammates to give all of them the best chance to win a World Series.
To him, to his teammates, to the fans, to the sport.

So bad.

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You should probably stop watching baseball.

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AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:You should probably stop watching baseball.
No thank you! At least now I have another team to root against in the playoffs. Gotta have villains.

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I just heard this morning that Wash has a 4-year contract with Strasburg, signed in '09. That changes things a bit. Before, I was thinking they were protecting him for the long term with them. Now I realize they only have him for one more year. I'm not saying they should run him into the ground, but like Milwaukee did with C.C., pitch him as long as he's feeling good - no hard line inning count. It's not like his agent, Boras, is going to show loyalty to the Nats for protecting him. They should be a little more aggressive in winning post-season as long as he feels okay, who knows when they'll be back.

The context in which I heard of his contract status is that the Nats are simply saving him for the Yankees, which is probably true.

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