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98navigator wrote:FYI, Cubs beat writer, Bruce Miles, watched Prior pitch today. He gave up 3 unearned runs and Miles says he is probably going to be back in the rotation within 2-3 weeks to a month! He said Prior looked better today than his last outing when he surrendered only 1 ER.

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I was wondering how his start went today. He'll be back...if for no other reason, than Wade Miller will soon be hurt again.

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98navigator wrote:FYI, Cubs beat writer, Bruce Miles, watched Prior pitch today. He gave up 3 unearned runs and Miles says he is probably going to be back in the rotation within 2-3 weeks to a month! He said Prior looked better today than his last outing when he surrendered only 1 ER.

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So the good news is, he had his very best outing today.

The bad news is that he still only managed 3 innings, gave up 3 hits, a walk, 2 wild pitches, and only one ground-out compared to 5 fly-outs.

Prior as a 5th-starter type doesn't help the Cubs much. They've got plenty of options for the 5th spot.

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Socnorb11 wrote:
98navigator wrote:FYI, Cubs beat writer, Bruce Miles, watched Prior pitch today. He gave up 3 unearned runs and Miles says he is probably going to be back in the rotation within 2-3 weeks to a month! He said Prior looked better today than his last outing when he surrendered only 1 ER.

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So the good news is, he had his very best outing today.

The bad news is that he still only managed 3 innings, gave up 3 hits, a walk, 2 wild pitches, and only one ground-out compared to 5 fly-outs.

Prior as a 5th-starter type doesn't help the Cubs much. They've got plenty of options for the 5th spot.
He's up to 60 pitches--They weren't looking for a deep outing today but the defense robbed him of at least another inning. He went longer in his last start. When Prior returns he will pitch 3 and Marquis 5 (that's what Lou said before Miller won the spot). Piniella wants a RLRLR rotation.

Who cares about flyouts? You can't determine if they were pop outs or warning track shots from the box score. A reliable source said he looked appreciably better.

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98navigator wrote:
Socnorb11 wrote:
98navigator wrote:FYI, Cubs beat writer, Bruce Miles, watched Prior pitch today. He gave up 3 unearned runs and Miles says he is probably going to be back in the rotation within 2-3 weeks to a month! He said Prior looked better today than his last outing when he surrendered only 1 ER.

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So the good news is, he had his very best outing today.

The bad news is that he still only managed 3 innings, gave up 3 hits, a walk, 2 wild pitches, and only one ground-out compared to 5 fly-outs.

Prior as a 5th-starter type doesn't help the Cubs much. They've got plenty of options for the 5th spot.
He's up to 60 pitches--They weren't looking for a deep outing today but the defense robbed him of at least another inning. He went longer in his last start. When Prior returns he will pitch 3 and Marquis 5 (that's what Lou said before Miller won the spot). Piniella wants a RLRLR rotation.

60 pitches is swell, but you don't want a guy to throw 60 pitches in 3 innings very often.

I'm not sure what credence there is in a RLRLR rotation. When was the last time a team made a deep run into the post-season using that strategy?

I hope that Prior is fine, but I can't believe that Cubs are still buying into what the beat-writers say. Prior has been the saving-grace for the Cubs going into the last 3 seasons, and hasn't panned out. At some point the Cubs (and their fans and writers) should learn to expect very little from Prior, and then anything that he provides will be a pleasant surprise, rather than being disappointed every year when he doesn't live up to expectations.

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Socnorb11 wrote:
98navigator wrote:
Socnorb11 wrote:
98navigator wrote:FYI, Cubs beat writer, Bruce Miles, watched Prior pitch today. He gave up 3 unearned runs and Miles says he is probably going to be back in the rotation [within 2-3 weeks to a month! He said Prior looked better today than his last outing when he surrendered only 1 ER.

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So the good news is, he had his very best outing today.

The bad news is that he still only managed 3 innings, gave up 3 hits, a walk, 2 wild pitches, and only one ground-out compared to 5 fly-outs.

Prior as a 5th-starter type doesn't help the Cubs much. They've got plenty of options for the 5th spot.
He's up to 60 pitches--They weren't looking for a deep outing today but the defense robbed him of at least another inning. He went longer in his last start. When Prior returns he will pitch 3 and Marquis 5 (that's what Lou said before Miller won the spot). Piniella wants a RLRLR rotation.

60 pitches in 3 innnings sounds about right for Prior.

I'm not sure what credence there is in a RLRLR rotation. When was the last time a team made a deep run into the post-season using that strategy?

I hope that Prior is fine, but I can't believe that Cubs are still buying into what the beat-writers say. Prior has been the saving-grace for the Cubs going into the last 3 seasons, and hasn't panned out. At some point the Cubs (and their fans and writers) should learn to expect very little from Prior, and then anything that he provides will be a pleasant surprise, rather than being disappointed every year when he doesn't live up to expectations.
OK, I guess Piniella doesn't know anything about winning in the postseason. :?:

Whatever, that rotation is for the regular season. Who has a 5-man postseason rotation?

Hmmm, ok, Prior made 27 starts in 2005 (the same season he was struck by a line drive). Stop acting like he hasn't been available since 2003.

Oh yeah, did I say the Cubs were expecting anything? NO! I said the beat writer is reporting he isn't far away from a return. He's healthy, he just needs arm strength.

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98navigator wrote:
OK, I guess Piniella doesn't know anything about winning in the postseason. :?:

Whatever, that rotation is for the regular season. Who has a 5-man postseason rotation?

Hmmm, ok, Prior made 27 starts in 2005. Stop acting like he hasn't been available since 2003.

I wasn't referring to a RLRLR rotation in the playoffs, so much. In that case, I'm sure it would just be RLRL. But how many times has a team even MADE the playoffs by using a RLRLR strategy? Like I said, there's just no substance to that strategy. I'm not saying that his rotation won't be successful, but you want your best 5 starters, regardless of which arm they throw with.

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OK, I guess Piniella doesn't know anything about winning in the postseason. :?:

Whatever, that rotation is for the regular season. Who has a 5-man postseason rotation?

Hmmm, ok, Prior made 27 starts in 2005. Stop acting like he hasn't been available since 2003.

I wasn't referring to a RLRLR rotation in the playoffs, so much. In that case, I'm sure it would just be RLRL. But how many times has a team even MADE the playoffs by using a RLRLR strategy? Like I said, there's just no substance to that strategy. I'm not saying that his rotation won't be successful, but you want your best 5 starters, regardless of which arm they throw with.
Who cares? Seriously, I'm not trying to be smart but I think you're over analyzing it. That's what he wants, I wouldn't read too much into it. It's simple, if the pitchers are effective the team will win (without regard for the order in which they pitch).

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Socnorb11 wrote:
98navigator wrote:
OK, I guess Piniella doesn't know anything about winning in the postseason. :?:

Whatever, that rotation is for the regular season. Who has a 5-man postseason rotation?

Hmmm, ok, Prior made 27 starts in 2005. Stop acting like he hasn't been available since 2003.

I wasn't referring to a RLRLR rotation in the playoffs, so much. In that case, I'm sure it would just be RLRL. But how many times has a team even MADE the playoffs by using a RLRLR strategy? Like I said, there's just no substance to that strategy. I'm not saying that his rotation won't be successful, but you want your best 5 starters, regardless of which arm they throw with.
Why does it matter what order they're in? Currently, we have the best 5 starters in the rotation. We'll see in a couple of weeks after Prior progresses some.

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I can't remember one thing I haven't liked about Lou since he arrived.

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