Mind if I ask why?Transmogrified Tiger wrote:I really don't like Khalil Greene as a hitter
I'd assume the "context of the Cubs" thing is because of his low BB rate.
Mind if I ask why?Transmogrified Tiger wrote:I really don't like Khalil Greene as a hitter
You're right, and that's also why I don't like him as a hitter. In a vacuum his production might be up to a certain level, but I think at a certain point you make so many outs that it hurts the offense beyond just the number in OBP, but in terms of offensive consistency. It'd be even more of a concern if Greene were supposed to be a cornerstone of the offense(which is a bit of a misnomer since no one would do that, but it illustrates the point), but I think it's a factor nonetheless. I just can't be an advocate of trying to deal for a guy who can't OBP .300 with any consistency, nevermind using the best prospect in the organization to get him. Tangentially, I really wish the Cubs would just stick Pie in CF and leave him there for about 1000 PA's.RC21 wrote:Mind if I ask why?Transmogrified Tiger wrote:I really don't like Khalil Greene as a hitter
I'd assume the "context of the Cubs" thing is because of his low BB rate.
TT is saying that in a vacuum, yes, but the Cubs have so many of those high power, low obp guys that the offense would be really inconsistent.RC21 wrote:Points taken. That said, his power compensates for some of that lost productivity, no?
What I'm saying is that 1+1 doesn't always equal 2. Part of this could be explained in how OBP is valued a little higher than SLG, but I'm saying that a .290/.450 hitter can be less valuable than a .330/.410 hitter. Maybe Replacement level or +/- is a better way of illustrating. If Greene's -1 OBP and +2 power, it's not as good as someone who's +1 OBP and +1 power.RC21 wrote:Points taken. That said, his power compensates for some of that lost productivity, no?
http://firstinning.com/players/Felix-Pie-aJGant82 wrote:What are Pie's MiLB numbers in regards to walk rate and OBP?
He sure didn't seem to have a ton of patience the few times I saw him with the Cubs..
Oh, I understand all that (re: OBP being more valuable than SLG), and I certainly don't deny that a skill set like that wouldn't fit well with the Cubs. I was just sort of pointing out that at least he does have some pop to negate some of the void in OBP.Transmogrified Tiger wrote:What I'm saying is that 1+1 doesn't always equal 2. Part of this could be explained in how OBP is valued a little higher than SLG, but I'm saying that a .290/.450 hitter can be less valuable than a .330/.410 hitter. Maybe Replacement level or +/- is a better way of illustrating. If Greene's -1 OBP and +2 power, it's not as good as someone who's +1 OBP and +1 power.RC21 wrote:Points taken. That said, his power compensates for some of that lost productivity, no?
And to tag on to what Thrill said, those things become even more obvious when you already have Alfonso Soriano, Jacque Jones, and to a lesser extent Aramis Ramirez in the lineup already.
He's Juan Pierre with a little more pop..Transmogrified Tiger wrote:http://firstinning.com/players/Felix-Pie-aJGant82 wrote:What are Pie's MiLB numbers in regards to walk rate and OBP?
He sure didn't seem to have a ton of patience the few times I saw him with the Cubs..
He's had small increases in BB% each of the last 3 years, although he's not going to be Adam Dunn anytime soon. He's still only 23 this year.
I'm guessing Juan never 984 ops'd in AAA.JGant82 wrote:He's Juan Pierre with a little more pop..Transmogrified Tiger wrote:http://firstinning.com/players/Felix-Pie-aJGant82 wrote:What are Pie's MiLB numbers in regards to walk rate and OBP?
He sure didn't seem to have a ton of patience the few times I saw him with the Cubs..
He's had small increases in BB% each of the last 3 years, although he's not going to be Adam Dunn anytime soon. He's still only 23 this year.
And THIS is the guy Cubs fans are coveting?