Trade Deadline/Rumor Thread formerly known as Breaking News

BW23 · **Joined:** July 7 06, 11:08 pm **Posts:** 6638

JL21 wrote:

robbotis wrote:

No way, Lohse for Fuentes straight up. An above average starter(which Lohse has been this year) is more valuable than an abover average reliever.

If it's part of a more elaborate trade, then I'd reconsider. Straight up, no thanks.

Should we ask them to throw in Holiday?

Lohse has been above average this year. He's also been spectacularly below it for about half of the rest of his career. If Dan O'Dowd is dumb enough to look at Kyle Lohse and disregard everything he's been prior to 2008, more power to Mo for making this deal.

Is there any way possible to get Holliday, too, without giving up Rasmus? Perez, Jay and Todd?

Popeye_Card · **Joined:** April 17 06, 11:25 am **Posts:** 20630

Slider wrote:

As to the Rockies, Bernie's column said today maybe something minor, but if a bigger deal is to happen it would be with the Rockies.

I trust Bernie about as far as I could throw him.

BW23 · **Joined:** July 7 06, 11:08 pm **Posts:** 6638

Popeye_Card wrote:

Slider wrote:

As to the Rockies, Bernie's column said today maybe something minor, but if a bigger deal is to happen it would be with the Rockies.

I trust Bernie about as far as I could throw him.

Are you saying you're not that strong?

redbirdjazzz · **Posted:** July 31 08, 10:03 am

BW23 wrote:

Popeye_Card wrote:

Slider wrote:

As to the Rockies, Bernie's column said today maybe something minor, but if a bigger deal is to happen it would be with the Rockies.

I trust Bernie about as far as I could throw him.

Are you saying you're not that strong?

Very few people are strong enough to make Bernie trustworthy.

jim · **Joined:** May 1 06, 2:41 pm **Posts:** 25700

Popeye_Card wrote:

jim wrote:

I wonder just how much breaking news the breaking news thread will get. The line between buyer and seller used to be much clearer than today. When the format was different, if you were at .500 or struggling to get there you were a seller, pure and simple. But now? Heck .500 teams win divisions, and if you are a good winning streak away from .500 and in the correct geographic quadrant you probably are a buyer. Add to it the cost of established ballplayers and what prospects now mean to teams (some more than others) and it's an ingredient for some pretty blah trade deadline news.

I'm not sure this is completely accurate. I mean, in this year's trading season, we've seen last year's AL Cy Young winner traded (CC), one of the better pitchers in the AL traded (Harden), one of the better hitters in the NL traded (Tex), a future HOF'er traded (Pudge), and a couple rumored deals that have some pretty big names (Griffey, Bay, Manny, Hermida).

If anything, in the old, old days (pre-FA) you didn't have as much player movement, because you weren't worried as much about salary dumps and not being able to sign a pending FA. I don't remember the 80's being a huge marketplace each year either. Maybe I'm just not remembering correctly.

I read an article once that showed the decline of deadlines, although I can't recall where it was at. Maybe it's just the hype we get today. Frankly I find things that turn out to be 90% rumor incredibly mind numbing, so I pay just the bare amount of attention to it and watch the games.

Popeye_Card · **Joined:** April 17 06, 11:25 am **Posts:** 20630

pujols4mvp wrote:

What happens if we dont get Wainwright back or Carpenter gets hurt in his next start and we lose him also. What do you do then? There seems to be alot of banking on returns with this team really cant say any have payed off. So we risk losing are top starter this season for who knows what the banking on two healthy returns and 1 has been postponed already once this season.

What happens is that we don't have a very good shot at making or competing in the postseason, whether we have Lohse or not.

Fat Strat · **Posted:** July 31 08, 10:07 am

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Should we ask them to throw in Holiday?

Yes. Always.

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Lohse has been above average this year. He's also been spectacularly below it for about half of the rest of his career. If Dan O'Dowd is dumb enough to look at Kyle Lohse and disregard everything he's been prior to 2008, more power to Mo for making this deal.

you guys are onto something. It pains me, though. I don't like trading for overvalued relievers (i.e. closers), especially not for a reliable starter who would likely start 1-2 games in every playoff series. Maybe we have the makings of a blockbuster with Holliday and Fuentes coming this way for Rasmus, Lohse, and Perez. I could live with that.

Who knows.

Popeye_Card · **Joined:** April 17 06, 11:25 am **Posts:** 20630

jim wrote:

I read an article once that showed the decline of deadlines, although I can't recall where it was at. Maybe it's just the hype we get today. Frankly I find things that turn out to be 90% rumor incredibly mind numbing, so I pay just the bare amount of attention to it and watch the games.

I think that's the big difference--the gap between the rumored deals and the actual deals. I'm with you--I pay virtually no attention to all of the rumors. When something actually happens, let me know.

Popeye_Card · **Joined:** April 17 06, 11:25 am **Posts:** 20630

BW23 wrote:

Popeye_Card wrote:

Slider wrote:

As to the Rockies, Bernie's column said today maybe something minor, but if a bigger deal is to happen it would be with the Rockies.

I trust Bernie about as far as I could throw him.

Are you saying you're not that strong?

I'm not sure what I'm saying. I just wanted to make that joke. And give everyone the mental image of someone trying to pick Bernie up and throw him.

Hungary Jack · **Posted:** July 31 08, 10:09 am

redbirdjazzz wrote:

BW23 wrote:

Popeye_Card wrote:

Slider wrote:

As to the Rockies, Bernie's column said today maybe something minor, but if a bigger deal is to happen it would be with the Rockies.

I trust Bernie about as far as I could throw him.

Are you saying you're not that strong?

Very few people are strong enough to make Bernie trustworthy.

I used to push cars around to work out. I have always wanted to try putting Bernie in a shopping cart and push it around, but my doctor strictly said "no Bernie pushing for you."

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