Ken Dayley 10/10/1986
Danny Cox 3/31/1989
Greg Mathews 5/12/1989
Todd Worrell 12/1/1989
Joe Magrane 4/1/1991
Cal Eldred 6/23/1995
Rene Arocha 10/8/1995
Britt Reames 1/1/1997
Jimmy Journell 1/1/1999
Matt Morris 4/13/1999
Scott Radinsky 6/10/2000
Garrett Stephenson 1/1/2001
Chance Caple 1/1/2001
Seung-hwan Oh 1/1/2001
Chris Narveson 10/5/2001
Rick Ankiel 7/16/2003
Kevin Ohme 1/1/2004
Mike Lincoln 7/13/2004
Kyle McClellan 7/22/2005
Al Reyes 10/18/2005
John Gast 1/1/2006
Ricardo Rincon 5/12/2006
Mike Lincoln 9/24/2006
Matt Carpenter 1/1/2007
Josh Kinney 3/13/2007
Chris Carpenter 7/24/2007
Mike Parisi 8/20/2008
Jaime Garcia 9/8/2008
Nick Petree 1/1/2009
Mark Worrell 3/20/2009
Kyle Mura 5/25/2009
Samuel Freeman 3/10/2010
Tyler Henley 7/1/2010
Scott Gorgen 10/15/2010
Adam Wainwright 2/28/2011
Scott McGregor 5/1/2011
Jordan Swagerty 4/2/2012
Rafael Furcal 3/13/2013
Jason Motte 5/6/2013
Trey Nielsen 6/1/2013
Tyler Melling 1/1/2014
Robert Calvano 3/31/2014
Keith Butler 5/28/2014
Davis Ward 5/7/2015
Lance Lynn 11/10/2015
Sam Tewes 3/31/2016
Jimmy Reed 4/13/2016
Marco Gonzales 4/15/2016
Chris Thomas 6/28/2016
Zach Duke 10/1/2016
I think we'll see top arms going through this sooner rather than later just as much or more moving forward despite the push for all to be smarter about pitcher abuse. Higher velocity means bigger bucks. Going max effort will mean more surgeries but the chance at bigger paydays.
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:re: Matheny, here's the non-Cards fan opinion you did not ask for. Matheny is a bad tactician, his lineup and in game decisions lack creativity
this is what i don't get (and i'm not a matheny apologist)...you're a cubs fan TT. maddon is just awful as well...his bullpen management is dreadful; worse than matheny IMO. but everyone seems to love them some maddon! but if he were to have lost the world series, there DEFINITELY would have been some questions raised. but he wins the world series, so he gets a pass/all the awful moves are forgotten? even though they won in spite of some of the moves he made? How many more games should the cubs have won last year with a better tactician at the helm?
I don't want to make this into a partisan debate, so I'll make my only Maddon-specific comment that I love him and I think he's great.
What might help to illustrate the disconnect is to think about this idea. Every manager does things that we disagree with, that's the nature of managing since so many decisions are more like 55/45 decisions instead of 90/10. With that in mind, think about how often you disagree with a decision that Matheny makes because of limits that Matheny puts on himself(e.g. leaving a starter in too long to try to get him 5 innings, having bullpen guys stick to very rigid roles even if game situation doesn't call for it, etc). That is not a problem that most managers have, and the main reason why Matheny is below average at his job.
Yeah, I thought the 9 year thing sounded weird, too.
Maybe it's 9 years for players who actually return? But even that seems on the high side because all it takes is a few going totally bust after one year to drag that average way down.
[expletive], the average HEALTHY pitcher probably doesn't have a 9 year career.
I'm probably missing something but that doesn't jibe with this.
Well the problem with stats like that is they're counting relief pitchers with starters which lowers the average significantly. We need to find out how many innings the average starter throws between those ages after TJS.
And "career" is also open to interpretation. They could mean goes between in the majors back to the minors, comebacks, injuries. That all could count as part of the career.