This is the question. I actually think that all of the attention that fans give the payroll and the arguments that the Cardinals are "cheap" miss the real issue that's going on. They've been caught and surpassed at the game they once played ahead of the curve. They are not the destination team that they once were -- and why and how that happened is the real thing that should bother fans, concern fans. It's not the red herring of "Cheap" because if Stanton says yes, Price says yes, or Heyward doesn't want to go anywhere else then the Cardinals have those contracts, they've spent that money, and because those players said "no" the real question is why. Why weren't the Cardinals appealing? What has changed? Spending is the red herring. Appealing is the concern. And that's true internally. Some of the new "edges" that the Cardinals are looking for have to do with reviewing how they accquire and keep players and how to compete in a marketplace where evey team has money, some teams have larger cities, some teams have coasts, and the Cardinals aren't going to change St. Louis' geography. (No, they have limits.) Another area is medical. Sabermedicals. They're pouring money into a new weight facility down here and the Dept. of Performance that they hope keeps their best players on the field more often at every level and thus improves development and, ahem, performance.
by Derrick Goold 4:32 PM
The Cardinals were ahead of the curve when they created their current model for roster construction and other organizations seemed to have caught up. What do you anticipate as the driving factors and/or the future workings of a 'newer' model?
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Josh Donaldson & Only Being Mostly Stupid
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Do you see any lingering injury issues with Josh Donaldson this year?
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I'm less worried about him than I am of most other 32-year-olds in the league
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Re: Josh Donaldson & Only Being Mostly Stupid
And like I've said in a different thread, getting him off that turf will only help his durability.Jocephus wrote:Sterling Malory Chris Archer
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Do you see any lingering injury issues with Josh Donaldson this year?
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I'm less worried about him than I am of most other 32-year-olds in the league
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Track record of extreme durability
I wish the Cards would have put together a package to acquire him. I think he would have been an instant leader on this club. In my opinion, he's akin to Rolen. Josh's defense, while very good, isn't at Rolen's level, but his offense is better, making it a wash in my book.
I get the risk of losing him after 1 year (like Heyward). I get that he's finally looking to get paid in a long-term contract. But they would have had a year to woo him. Just think about where this guy has played: OAK and TOR. Two places that aren't exactly the epitomy of baseball royalty. And given how free agency has gone this winter, they probably could have convinced him (at some point) to take high dollars on a shorter-term contract so they could get 3-4 years out of him.
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Re: Josh Donaldson & Only Being Mostly Stupid
Sorry but for some reason we don’t do well “woo’ing” free agents to stay, hell to even come here. Added onto we probably either get outbid for him or another team offers close to the same money and he leaves because we suck at “woo’ing”.mikechamp wrote:And like I've said in a different thread, getting him off that turf will only help his durability.Jocephus wrote:Sterling Malory Chris Archer
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Do you see any lingering injury issues with Josh Donaldson this year?
Jeff Sullivan
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I'm less worried about him than I am of most other 32-year-olds in the league
9:33
Track record of extreme durability
I wish the Cards would have put together a package to acquire him. I think he would have been an instant leader on this club. In my opinion, he's akin to Rolen. Josh's defense, while very good, isn't at Rolen's level, but his offense is better, making it a wash in my book.
I get the risk of losing him after 1 year (like Heyward). I get that he's finally looking to get paid in a long-term contract. But they would have had a year to woo him. Just think about where this guy has played: OAK and TOR. Two places that aren't exactly the epitomy of baseball royalty. And given how free agency has gone this winter, they probably could have convinced him (at some point) to take high dollars on a shorter-term contract so they could get 3-4 years out of him.
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Are you saying we need some "woo girls"?
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Something is wrong with him. Dude can't throw.
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Geez....there's some Knoblauch in those throws.InvincibleCakeEater wrote:Something is wrong with him. Dude can't throw.
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Thanks for sharing those links. I hadn't seen this yet.InvincibleCakeEater wrote:Something is wrong with him. Dude can't throw.
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maybe now everyone on GRB will quit clamoring for donaldson
maybe now everyone on GRB will quit clamoring for donaldson