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 Post subject: Re: Meet Kolten Wong
PostPosted: August 24 18, 1:34 pm 
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If Wong doesn't win the gold glove, it's a huge sham.

Bader is deserving too.


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 Post subject: Re: Meet Kolten Wong
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Big Amoco Sign wrote:
If Wong doesn't win the gold glove, it's a huge sham.

Bader is deserving too.

Isn't it pretty much universally accepted among people that actually pay attention to baseball that the gold glove is a sham?


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 Post subject: Re: Meet Kolten Wong
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AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
Big Amoco Sign wrote:
If Wong doesn't win the gold glove, it's a huge sham.

Bader is deserving too.

Isn't it pretty much universally accepted among people that actually pay attention to baseball that the gold glove is a sham?


Yes. The GG definitely has a offense-based component.

I mean, you can just say "Rafael Palmiero" and win this argument.


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 Post subject: Re: Meet Kolten Wong
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I thought they leaned a lot on DRS in recent years?

Goldschmidt winning over Votto last year was kind of dumb though. Everyone else, I'm okay with.

You could argue Seager over Crawford but Crawford has been stellar for a few years now and is also deserving. He had 55 more plays made at short despite less DRS.

Cain will win CF over Bader but if they pick three OFs then Bader is deserving.


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 Post subject: Re: Meet Kolten Wong
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letsgocards89 wrote:
AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
Big Amoco Sign wrote:
If Wong doesn't win the gold glove, it's a huge sham.

Bader is deserving too.

Isn't it pretty much universally accepted among people that actually pay attention to baseball that the gold glove is a sham?


Yes. The GG definitely has a offense-based component.

I mean, you can just say "Rafael Palmiero" and win this argument.


yes, which makes it even worse...they have an award for offense by position. it's called the silver slugger. same with MVP and Cy Young. pitchers should not be eligible for the MVP; they have an MVP award already; it's called the damn cy young award.

which why it's even more frustrating...they've got these awards, and people [expletive] them up all the time voting for them...

gold glove - defense by position

silver slugger - offense by position

MVP - offensive MVP

Cy Young - pitcher MVP


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 Post subject: Re: Meet Kolten Wong
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Big Amoco Sign wrote:
I thought they leaned a lot on DRS in recent years?

Goldschmidt winning over Votto last year was kind of dumb though. Everyone else, I'm okay with.

You could argue Seager over Crawford but Crawford has been stellar for a few years now and is also deserving. He had 55 more plays made at short despite less DRS.

Cain will win CF over Bader but if they pick three OFs then Bader is deserving.


Rafeal Palmeiro


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 Post subject: Re: Meet Kolten Wong
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I’ll be shocked if Baez doesn’t get the GG. He’s already been ordained and they’re prepping for his coronation.


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 Post subject: Re: Meet Kolten Wong
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CardsofSTL wrote:
Big Amoco Sign wrote:
I thought they leaned a lot on DRS in recent years?

Goldschmidt winning over Votto last year was kind of dumb though. Everyone else, I'm okay with.

You could argue Seager over Crawford but Crawford has been stellar for a few years now and is also deserving. He had 55 more plays made at short despite less DRS.

Cain will win CF over Bader but if they pick three OFs then Bader is deserving.


Rafeal Palmeiro

Said "recent years"

Palmeiro was also the best defensive 1B from 1997-1999 in the AL. I don't see problem with him getting it those years. Check Fangraphs yourself, he led AL in "total zone" those years for 1B.


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 Post subject: Re: Meet Kolten Wong
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Big Amoco Sign wrote:
CardsofSTL wrote:
Big Amoco Sign wrote:
I thought they leaned a lot on DRS in recent years?

Goldschmidt winning over Votto last year was kind of dumb though. Everyone else, I'm okay with.

You could argue Seager over Crawford but Crawford has been stellar for a few years now and is also deserving. He had 55 more plays made at short despite less DRS.

Cain will win CF over Bader but if they pick three OFs then Bader is deserving.


Rafeal Palmeiro

Said "recent years"

Palmeiro was also the best defensive 1B from 1997-1999 in the AL. I don't see problem with him getting it those years. Check Fangraphs yourself, he led AL in "total zone" those years for 1B.


I was testing the earlier theory that saying his name would win arguments.


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 Post subject: Re: Meet Kolten Wong
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Big Amoco Sign wrote:
CardsofSTL wrote:
Big Amoco Sign wrote:
I thought they leaned a lot on DRS in recent years?

Goldschmidt winning over Votto last year was kind of dumb though. Everyone else, I'm okay with.

You could argue Seager over Crawford but Crawford has been stellar for a few years now and is also deserving. He had 55 more plays made at short despite less DRS.

Cain will win CF over Bader but if they pick three OFs then Bader is deserving.


Rafeal Palmeiro

Said "recent years"

Palmeiro was also the best defensive 1B from 1997-1999 in the AL. I don't see problem with him getting it those years. Check Fangraphs yourself, he led AL in "total zone" those years for 1B.


Best or not, it's still a bit dubious to award a guy "best defensive 1B" in a year when he played 28 games at 1B and 128 games at DH.


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