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dmarx114 wrote:
InvincibleCakeEater wrote:there is no excuse to not add Kimbrel or Allen in this reliever market
Well, Kimbrel sucks. So that would be my excuse not to sign him.
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Yeah. I don't want to hear about how undervalued Brebbia is when we could easily upgrade at his position. Allen would be huge, right now. We can argue all day that there were better LH bench bats out there. But missing on these relievers is utter stupidity. Got Miller, great; compliment the signing with a RH fireman.

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Fat Strat wrote:Found this earlier, so we're probably not involved in a Gray trade. Goold did mention Gray as a possibility for us, which is what I was thinking in my previous post.
prolly the brewers. they are desperate to add a starter this offseason

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ESPN's Jeff Passan reports that the Yankees have a three-year, $25 million agreement in place with free agent reliever Adam Ottavino.
It's only pending a physical exam. Ottavino adds another lethal arm to the Yankees' bullpen, joining Aroldis Chapman, Dellin Betances, Adam Ottavino, Zach Britton, and Chad Green in what should be the most dominant relief corps in baseball. Ottavino, 33, registered a dominant 2.43 ERA (193 ERA+) with 112 strikeouts over 77 2/3 innings with the Rockies last season.
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MrCrowesGarden wrote:The Yankees, who insisted they didn't want to go over the luxury tax, are now over the luxury tax by 18 million dollars, not by signing Machado but by just collecting a bunch of little parts. Ok.
That number will go down, because it doesn't factor in any trade of Gray. Per this entry on MLBTradeRumors:
The recent additions of Ottavino and DJ LeMahieu, former Rockies teammates now reunited in the Bronx, have added $21MM worth of luxury tax hits to the Yankees’ ledger. That should put them firmly above the $206MM cutoff even if they’re successfully able to find a taker for Sonny Gray and his $7.5MM salary. As Jason Martinez outlines at Roster Resource, the Yankees’ luxury tax payroll currently projects to just north of $224MM, while their actual in-season 2019 payroll — assuming an even $9MM per year breakdown of Ottavino’s deal — currently rests around $209.5MM.

However, the Yankees dipped south of the luxury tax line last season, which reset them back into the lowest penalty bracket. As such, they’ll be faced with a relatively tame penalty — a 12 percent overage tax on every dollar north of the $206MM cutoff point.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/01/ ... avino.html

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Talking of trading JMart - how many teams in need of a DH don't already have a JMart-esque player?

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mikechamp wrote:
MrCrowesGarden wrote:The Yankees, who insisted they didn't want to go over the luxury tax, are now over the luxury tax by 18 million dollars, not by signing Machado but by just collecting a bunch of little parts. Ok.
That number will go down, because it doesn't factor in any trade of Gray. Per this entry on MLBTradeRumors:
The recent additions of Ottavino and DJ LeMahieu, former Rockies teammates now reunited in the Bronx, have added $21MM worth of luxury tax hits to the Yankees’ ledger. That should put them firmly above the $206MM cutoff even if they’re successfully able to find a taker for Sonny Gray and his $7.5MM salary. As Jason Martinez outlines at Roster Resource, the Yankees’ luxury tax payroll currently projects to just north of $224MM, while their actual in-season 2019 payroll — assuming an even $9MM per year breakdown of Ottavino’s deal — currently rests around $209.5MM.

However, the Yankees dipped south of the luxury tax line last season, which reset them back into the lowest penalty bracket. As such, they’ll be faced with a relatively tame penalty — a 12 percent overage tax on every dollar north of the $206MM cutoff point.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/01/ ... avino.html

Yes, I'm aware. However, a Gray trade still doesn't get them under the luxury tax. They're going to have to find someone to take Ellsbury.

Right now, the Yankees have a bunch of people (rightfully) mad at them for being cheap but also get the joys of paying the luxury tax.

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Famous Mortimer wrote:Talking of trading JMart - how many teams in need of a DH don't already have a JMart-esque player?
of 254 players with 650+ PA the last 2 seasons, JMart is 32nd in wRC+. So, not many.

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Famous Mortimer wrote:Talking of trading JMart - how many teams in need of a DH don't already have a JMart-esque player?
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx? ... &sort=17,d

Of those players who had more than 300 PA's at DH -- about platoon level -- there were 15 who had a positive WAR. Probably more useful is to sort that by wRC+, which would only measure offense. There were 13 over 99 wRC+. So, there are a lot of somewhat useful DH's out there for obvious reasons. Most teams can find a guy who can hit a little if that player never has to see the field. At the same time, it's somewhat difficult to find a GOOD DH. Of the 20 or so players who earned more than 300 PA's as a DH, only 8 of them were over 110 wRC+.

That said, Jose Martinez had a 125 wRC+. He was at 135 in '17. His 130 wRC+ combined that last two seasons would be 5th. (And that includes at least 1 player who really isn't a DH - Stanton).

So, most teams don't have a JMart-esque player. But, most teams do have a serviceable player. And that kind of reminds me of the situation with the FA's. Teams aren't wanting to pay anything for incremental improvements -- say 1-2 WAR. The Cardinals, meanwhile, are refusing to take less than value for Martinez (for once). Foolish or not, that's where we are. Best bet would be a situation like Gray, where two teams are looking to offload something they don't need and the other team could sort of use.
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Famous Mortimer wrote:Talking of trading JMart - how many teams in need of a DH don't already have a JMart-esque player?
More than you would think. Though the Yankees are probably not a fit.

JMart carries a 128 OPS+ for his career (915 PA's). It is surprisingly hard to find DH's that exceed that production, and he can play the field if needed as well.

I know we like the thought of having his bat available off the bench, but it makes much more sense to trade him for a more useful piece, and use the bench spot for someone that isn't so redundant for the Cardinals' current roster. I hope the Cardinals are still shopping JMart for either a strong bullpen piece or a lefty/switch-hitting MI.

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