Do you have a slick little graph to show that? The one that you posted doesn't take defense into account, right? So while I don't entirely disagree with you, I think you shouldn't be so smug about something that doesn't really show the whole picture.Big Amoco Sign wrote:Heyward's defense isn't good enough to overcome his godawful, sometimes below average bat.Socnorb11 wrote:Big Amoco Sign wrote:Actually no he hasn't, Dunn started later and benefited from GABP. Dunn is way worse at defense too.cardsfantx wrote: according to your graph, looks like besides harper's CLEAR outlier season (that he will never duplicate)...dunn has been better than harper thus far in his career
...... and Heyward is way better at defense, right?
Harper: Elite or Overrated?
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Again,
Trout's UZR/150 for career: 2.1
Yelich's: 1.9
Harper's: 0.2
Defense is massively overblown.
Trout's UZR/150 for career: 2.1
Yelich's: 1.9
Harper's: 0.2
Defense is massively overblown.
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Re: Harper: Elite or Overrated?
Unless you're Matt Carpenter.
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then your graph is wrongBig Amoco Sign wrote:Actually no he hasn't, Dunn started later and benefited from GABP. Dunn is way worse at defense too.cardsfantx wrote: according to your graph, looks like besides harper's CLEAR outlier season (that he will never duplicate)...dunn has been better than harper thus far in his career
Dunn also has 25 fWAR in his career. Harper already at 30 fWAR at age 26.
and you site WAR ,which is ballpark adjusted, so not sure what ballpark anyone played at
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Harper was penalized hard for "wasted throws" (according to SIS defensive stats) where a base runner gained a base.MAGA wrote:Unless you're Matt Carpenter.
Carpenter IS the worst or second worst starting 3B at the moment defensively. No lie there.
Harper's defensive woes are coachable. Not physically limiting related things.
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my brain hurts from all this
so stats, offense, defense, whatever matters when it suits your argument....when it doesn't, you dismiss it
so stats, offense, defense, whatever matters when it suits your argument....when it doesn't, you dismiss it
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cardsfantx wrote:my brain hurts from all this
so stats, offense, defense, whatever matters when it suits your argument....when it doesn't, you dismiss it
"He's a better Adam Dunn"
Hey he's also a better Aaron Miles!
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so carp's defense is awful...nothing can be doneBig Amoco Sign wrote:MAGA wrote:Unless you're Matt Carpenter.
Carpenter IS the worst or second worst starting 3B at the moment defensively. No lie there.
Harper's defensive woes are coachable. Not physically limiting related things.
harper's defense is awful...it's all coachable
this is fun
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You JUST used defense in a case against Adam Dunn.Big Amoco Sign wrote:Again,
Trout's UZR/150 for career: 2.1
Yelich's: 1.9
Harper's: 0.2
Defense is massively overblown.
Dude, you're all over the place here.
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Re: Harper: Elite or Overrated?
Carpenter is 33 and has an age curve and weak arm. Harper doesn't have physical problems on defense. Just baseball IQ ones.