Harper: Elite or Overrated?

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Big Amoco Sign wrote:
Socnorb11 wrote:
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cardsfantx wrote: according to your graph, looks like besides harper's CLEAR outlier season (that he will never duplicate)...dunn has been better than harper thus far in his career
Actually no he hasn't, Dunn started later and benefited from GABP. Dunn is way worse at defense too.

...... and Heyward is way better at defense, right?
Heyward's defense isn't good enough to overcome his godawful, sometimes below average bat.
Do you have a slick little graph to show that? The one that you posted doesn't take defense into account, right? So while I don't entirely disagree with you, I think you shouldn't be so smug about something that doesn't really show the whole picture.

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Again,

Trout's UZR/150 for career: 2.1
Yelich's: 1.9
Harper's: 0.2

Defense is massively overblown.

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Unless you're Matt Carpenter.

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Big Amoco Sign wrote:
cardsfantx wrote: according to your graph, looks like besides harper's CLEAR outlier season (that he will never duplicate)...dunn has been better than harper thus far in his career
Actually no he hasn't, Dunn started later and benefited from GABP. Dunn is way worse at defense too.

Dunn also has 25 fWAR in his career. Harper already at 30 fWAR at age 26.
then your graph is wrong

and you site WAR ,which is ballpark adjusted, so not sure what ballpark anyone played at

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MAGA wrote:Unless you're Matt Carpenter.
Harper was penalized hard for "wasted throws" (according to SIS defensive stats) where a base runner gained a base.

Carpenter IS the worst or second worst starting 3B at the moment defensively. No lie there.

Harper's defensive woes are coachable. Not physically limiting related things.

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my brain hurts from all this

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so stats, offense, defense, whatever matters when it suits your argument....when it doesn't, you dismiss it

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cardsfantx wrote:my brain hurts from all this

so stats, offense, defense, whatever matters when it suits your argument....when it doesn't, you dismiss it

"He's a better Adam Dunn"

Hey he's also a better Aaron Miles!
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Big Amoco Sign wrote:
MAGA wrote:Unless you're Matt Carpenter.

Carpenter IS the worst or second worst starting 3B at the moment defensively. No lie there.

Harper's defensive woes are coachable. Not physically limiting related things.
so carp's defense is awful...nothing can be done

harper's defense is awful...it's all coachable

this is fun

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Re: Harper: Elite or Overrated?

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Big Amoco Sign wrote:Again,

Trout's UZR/150 for career: 2.1
Yelich's: 1.9
Harper's: 0.2

Defense is massively overblown.
You JUST used defense in a case against Adam Dunn.

Dude, you're all over the place here.

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Carpenter is 33 and has an age curve and weak arm. Harper doesn't have physical problems on defense. Just baseball IQ ones.

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