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Joe Shlabotnik wrote:Easy solution: Pay every player on some WAR-like number they produce each month on top of a league minimum. Make sure the number includes value for sacrifices, moving runners, intentional walks, etc.

Not-easy side effect: Can you imagine the pressure on official scorers and managers in that scenario?
Absolutely no way that will happen. Teams can’t even incentivize contracts with performance bonuses that are based on actually doing well (eg, era, ops, etc) only on participation (eg, games started, plate appearances, etc). The only somewhat break to that rule is mvp, silver slugger, gold glove, etc awards. Bonus clauses can be included for those.

But, yeah, the mlbpa is strictly against performance based contracts. They’d strike before agreeing to something like that.

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33anda3rd wrote:The only way it can become a new market inefficiency is if a player isn't getting overpaid, and that's a two-way street.

The Rays have a laughable $8.9MM committed to salary for the upcoming year, before arb-eligibles. Only one guy, Kiermaier, is on a contract currently. The White Sox, outside of arb-eligibles, have like $12MM committed to 2019. There's plenty of money for teams like them--and a lot of teams like them with lots to spend--to give Josh Donaldson a 3-year / $42 million contract. Someone should step up and offer that. But here's where the two-way street comes in: Josh Donaldson and his agent should take that money and run, the first offer that comes through. Because GMs nowadays don't give Josh Donaldsons 6-year or 6-figure deals. You're 32 and your OBP has dropped 50 points in two seasons? You should be happy to get 3/$42MM.
To sort of piggyback on this with a small update. Last year they had CJ Cron for two-point-three million dollars which is peanuts in MLB terms. Cron hit 30 bombs, hit 22% better than league average, and was an overall league-average 2.1 fWAR without getting to 600PA.

Yesterday they DFAed him rather than keep him and pay for just his second year of arbitration.

This is why baseball is getting harder for me to pay attention to, globally across the league. If you don't want to bring back a guy who hit that well for what would be peanuts again next year, why the hell do you own a baseball team?

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AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
Joe Shlabotnik wrote:Easy solution: Pay every player on some WAR-like number they produce each month on top of a league minimum. Make sure the number includes value for sacrifices, moving runners, intentional walks, etc.

Not-easy side effect: Can you imagine the pressure on official scorers and managers in that scenario?
Absolutely no way that will happen. Teams can’t even incentivize contracts with performance bonuses that are based on actually doing well (eg, era, ops, etc) only on participation (eg, games started, plate appearances, etc). The only somewhat break to that rule is mvp, silver slugger, gold glove, etc awards. Bonus clauses can be included for those.

But, yeah, the mlbpa is strictly against performance based contracts. They’d strike before agreeing to something like that.
As they should.

Why are fans so hellbent on protecting Daddy DeWitt's wallet?

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Big Amoco Sign wrote:
AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
Joe Shlabotnik wrote:Easy solution: Pay every player on some WAR-like number they produce each month on top of a league minimum. Make sure the number includes value for sacrifices, moving runners, intentional walks, etc.

Not-easy side effect: Can you imagine the pressure on official scorers and managers in that scenario?
Absolutely no way that will happen. Teams can’t even incentivize contracts with performance bonuses that are based on actually doing well (eg, era, ops, etc) only on participation (eg, games started, plate appearances, etc). The only somewhat break to that rule is mvp, silver slugger, gold glove, etc awards. Bonus clauses can be included for those.

But, yeah, the mlbpa is strictly against performance based contracts. They’d strike before agreeing to something like that.
As they should.

Why are fans so hellbent on protecting Daddy DeWitt's wallet?
WTH does one thing have to do with the other?

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Looking for ways to low ball your employees is always bad

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MLB players are hardly underpaid for the value they provide to society. Though my preference would by far be ending public money for private stadiums first. Then figure out a better system than ome that pays 6 year veterans in a business 100x what an entry level employee makes.

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Popeye_Card wrote:MLB players are hardly underpaid for the value they provide to society. Though my preference would by far be ending public money for private stadiums first. Then figure out a better system than ome that pays 6 year veterans in a business 100x what an entry level employee makes.
Well they bring in the money. So what they do for society doesn't matter, there's no reason to just give owners buckets of money. Players should be paid.

I say get rid of the control teams get on players until they hit free agency. They should be paid better in their earlier years, beyond arb money.

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I’m good with 6 years of control, but significantly raise the minimum salary and better pay for MiLB players.

To the other point, I think you are underselling who really brings in the money. Sure, players are the focus. But the folks who control the game control the marketing.

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Big Amoco Sign wrote:Looking for ways to low ball your employees is always bad
Eh. For every player who is low-balled, there is a guy like Jason Heyward or Dexter Fowler who is high-balled.

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AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
Joe Shlabotnik wrote:Easy solution: Pay every player on some WAR-like number they produce each month on top of a league minimum. Make sure the number includes value for sacrifices, moving runners, intentional walks, etc.

Not-easy side effect: Can you imagine the pressure on official scorers and managers in that scenario?
Absolutely no way that will happen. Teams can’t even incentivize contracts with performance bonuses that are based on actually doing well (eg, era, ops, etc) only on participation (eg, games started, plate appearances, etc). The only somewhat break to that rule is mvp, silver slugger, gold glove, etc awards. Bonus clauses can be included for those.

But, yeah, the mlbpa is strictly against performance based contracts. They’d strike before agreeing to something like that.
You'd also have players trying to pad certain stats as opposed to trying to win baseball games.

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