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go birds wrote:most volatile pitching staff in baseball
Which is fine because they have 8 guys who can start games at an above replacement rate.

Silly to draw much from Hudson's experience as a reliever, IMO. He's a groundball machine/low HR rate guy that is 6/3 K/BB if he can duplicated what he did at the minors and continue the trend/progression the way we expect.

With all offseason and analytics crew of the NL Central teams knowing Mikolas will probably log X amount of innings, I expect him to have the biggest setback of all the pitchers on the staff. I do not know if we should pencil in a repeat.
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I don’t follow. Starting is demonstrably harder than relieving.

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MAGA wrote:I don’t follow. Starting is demonstrably harder than relieving.
Because he was a starter for two seasons in the minors and in college?

Because walk rate at what you did 27 innings of random relief (different preparation than being a starter--what he was used to) at age 23 is not wise to draw hard data from.

Don't you need like 70-100 innings for walk rate to be reliable?

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Make them take Cecil too.

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I love that 33 made "demonstrably" a regular part of GRB lexicon lol

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Big Amoco Sign wrote:
MAGA wrote:I don’t follow. Starting is demonstrably harder than relieving.
Because he was a starter for two seasons in the minors and in college?

Because walk rate at what you did 27 innings of random relief (different preparation than being a starter--what he was used to) at age 23 is not wise to draw hard data from.

Don't you need like 70-100 innings for walk rate to be reliable?
Right, I pulled the wrong stat column in that particular instance. Good catch.

Looks like he was a 7 k/9 and 3 bb/9 guy in AAA as a starter

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MAGA wrote:
Big Amoco Sign wrote:
MAGA wrote:I don’t follow. Starting is demonstrably harder than relieving.
Because he was a starter for two seasons in the minors and in college?

Because walk rate at what you did 27 innings of random relief (different preparation than being a starter--what he was used to) at age 23 is not wise to draw hard data from.

Don't you need like 70-100 innings for walk rate to be reliable?
Right, I pulled the wrong stat column in that particular instance. Good catch.

Looks like he was a 7 k/9 and 3 bb/9 guy in AAA as a starter
If he can duplicate what he did at Memphis and in college at the pro level, he's a great arm to have on the fringe and for later in the season during the dog day playoff hunts. 7/3 K/BB with sub 1 HR rate is more than good. If Maddux can somehow fix his walks and turn him into Mikolas 2.0, even better.

He was dominant at Mississippi State. I hope that bubbles up to MLB soon.

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Do we need Greinke by himself? No. Not worth taking on that contract to upgrade a mid-rotation spot when we have other options.

But if you need to take on his contract to get Goldschmidt at a lesser prospect cost, I wouldn't be against it. Shift Wacha to the pen, and plan on Wainwright being there too.

C-Mart
Greinke
Flaherty
Mikolas
Reyes

That could be a really good rotation.

C: Molina
1B: Goldschmidt
2B: Wong
SS: DeJong
3B: Marp
OF: Ozuna / Bader / Fowler / O'Neill
UT: Gyorko

That's a really good everyday lineup.

I know everyone wants Harper or Machado, but this is probably the next best way to add a top 10 bat. Goldschmidt has the 2nd most offensive production in MLB since becoming a full-time starter in 2012, or 2013 if you want to slice it that way, or 2014. If you just want to look at last year, he's waaaaay down at #7.

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MinorLeagueGuy wrote:Make them take Cecil too.
This is baseball, not a Marquis de Sade novel.

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Popeye_Card wrote:Do we need Greinke by himself? No. Not worth taking on that contract to upgrade a mid-rotation spot when we have other options.

But if you need to take on his contract to get Goldschmidt at a lesser prospect cost, I wouldn't be against it. Shift Wacha to the pen, and plan on Wainwright being there too.

C-Mart
Greinke
Flaherty
Mikolas
Reyes

That could be a really good rotation.

C: Molina
1B: Goldschmidt
2B: Wong
SS: DeJong
3B: Marp
OF: Ozuna / Bader / Fowler / O'Neill
UT: Gyorko

That's a really good everyday lineup.

I know everyone wants Harper or Machado, but this is probably the next best way to add a top 10 bat. Goldschmidt has the 2nd most offensive production in MLB since becoming a full-time starter in 2012, or 2013 if you want to slice it that way, or 2014. If you just want to look at last year, he's waaaaay down at #7.
Not sure where that leaves us with payroll but that’s a damn good team. we’re competing for the division with those moves. The Greinke add really makes any production from Reyes a nice bonus

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