GatewayRedbirds.com

A Message Board Dedicated to Discussing St. Louis Cardinals Baseball!
It is currently August 24 19, 3:11 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 59 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: July 31 19, 4:18 pm 
Offline
Next Gen Wart
User avatar

Joined: April 22 06, 6:53 pm
Posts: 8346
Location: St. Louis
TheoSqua wrote:
Jayramball04 wrote:
wart57 wrote:
Fat Strat wrote:
tlombard wrote:
I'd put money on the 'not healthy' reason for his lack of production the past couple of months.

Then again, age does impact your health so you can't rule out age related decline completely but I don't think anybody gets this bad this fast based on aging one single year.


They don't typically collapse that quickly without injury related issues, which could be part of Carpenter's struggles. IMO, there are multiple factors in Carpenter's struggles this year. The biggest is his BABIP is down 30-40 points from expected despite good contact percentages and his HR/FB rate is down as well, despite plenty of hard hit balls. I'm sure the shift isn't helping him, but he really should be quite a bit better than he has been just by rates alone.

So, some age-related decline. Some bad luck. Some panic-hitting, where he mentally tries to get himself right and compounds the problem. Add it up and it's a problem. Projections are optimistic about him. I am as well. He should be and will be a productive player soon enough, and it would be a mistake for fans to toss him aside. As they did with Fowler last year... and Ozuna last year... and Weaver last year... and Goldschmidt this year... and Carson Kelly... and I can go ahead and point to Mikolas, Flaherty, and Bader, too, as guys that will probably be just fine (fine as in they'll perform according to reasonable expectations) in the long run.

Honestly, fans seem to have lost the ability to display any patience or any understanding of the ebbs and flows of a baseball season or a player's career. And they latch themselves onto anything that looks good, no matter how thin it is (see Tommy Edman or Randy Arozarena).


This is the way the whole world seems to be going right now...

he just isnt that good any more, he is a avg player now and is getting payed well....


I didn't realize that Carpenter was a sailor.

i'll see myself out


After making the previous post, I saw this on reddit. https://curiousmindmagazine.com/people- ... ence-says/

[expletive] you, Theo!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: August 3 19, 3:27 pm 
Offline
Single A Minor League Player
User avatar

Joined: July 21 19, 2:38 pm
Posts: 22
3 rbi on 2 hits vs ABQ the other night. Maybe he's worked out whatever was bothering him.

Without Gyorko as a late season option for depth, Carp might be needed. (for better or worse)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: August 3 19, 9:26 pm 
Offline
All Hail the New GDT Master
User avatar

Joined: April 26 11, 6:06 am
Posts: 21561
Location: Columbus, OH
ShildtForBrains wrote:
3 rbi on 2 hits vs ABQ the other night. Maybe he's worked out whatever was bothering him.

Without Gyorko as a late season option for depth, Carp might be needed. (for better or worse)


Carp is definitely needed...Edman is not a long term solution. I like Edman a lot as a fill in or back up utility player; but we need a productive Carpenter to even have an outside chance of postseason.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: August 4 19, 11:54 am 
Offline
I'm a jerker by nature....
User avatar

Joined: October 10 13, 12:08 pm
Posts: 906
CardsofSTL wrote:
ShildtForBrains wrote:
3 rbi on 2 hits vs ABQ the other night. Maybe he's worked out whatever was bothering him.

Without Gyorko as a late season option for depth, Carp might be needed. (for better or worse)


Carp is definitely needed...Edman is not a long term solution. I like Edman a lot as a fill in or back up utility player; but we need a productive Carpenter to even have an outside chance of postseason.


How can you say Tommy isn't a long term solution??? He's better and younger. Better and younger is by FAR preferable to older and fading. How can there even be an argument on the issue?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: August 4 19, 12:04 pm 
Offline
Perennial All-Star
User avatar

Joined: September 20 06, 10:55 am
Posts: 3343
Medwick's_Ghost wrote:
CardsofSTL wrote:
ShildtForBrains wrote:
3 rbi on 2 hits vs ABQ the other night. Maybe he's worked out whatever was bothering him.

Without Gyorko as a late season option for depth, Carp might be needed. (for better or worse)


Carp is definitely needed...Edman is not a long term solution. I like Edman a lot as a fill in or back up utility player; but we need a productive Carpenter to even have an outside chance of postseason.


How can you say Tommy isn't a long term solution??? He's better and younger. Better and younger is by FAR preferable to older and fading. How can there even be an argument on the issue?


Hey Ducky. How's the spirit world? Can you send down the ghost of Stan? Cardinal nation is not the same without him. I completely agree with you. Edman is much better at helping the cards lose so we can finally tank. That is an excellent plan. If only you wrote a screenplay about it before you became a ghost. You could have called it Major League and made a fortune.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: August 4 19, 12:25 pm 
Offline
Master of Hyperbole
User avatar

Joined: December 1 17, 11:05 am
Posts: 6101
a_smith wrote:
Medwick's_Ghost wrote:
CardsofSTL wrote:
ShildtForBrains wrote:
3 rbi on 2 hits vs ABQ the other night. Maybe he's worked out whatever was bothering him.

Without Gyorko as a late season option for depth, Carp might be needed. (for better or worse)


Carp is definitely needed...Edman is not a long term solution. I like Edman a lot as a fill in or back up utility player; but we need a productive Carpenter to even have an outside chance of postseason.


How can you say Tommy isn't a long term solution??? He's better and younger. Better and younger is by FAR preferable to older and fading. How can there even be an argument on the issue?


Hey Ducky. How's the spirit world? Can you send down the ghost of Stan? Cardinal nation is not the same without him. I completely agree with you. Edman is much better at helping the cards lose so we can finally tank. That is an excellent plan. If only you wrote a screenplay about it before you became a ghost. You could have called it Major League and made a fortune.

Lmao


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: August 4 19, 12:29 pm 
Offline
Perennial All-Star

Joined: November 6 10, 10:58 am
Posts: 7474
Hey now; if Edman can learn how to hit and get on base, I’d be all about him as a future piece


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: August 4 19, 12:31 pm 
Offline
Master of Hyperbole
User avatar

Joined: December 1 17, 11:05 am
Posts: 6101
cardsfantx wrote:
Hey now; if Edman can learn how to hit and get on base, I’d be all about him as a future piece

Yeah...but what gives us any indication that he will?

79 wRC+ so far. Had a very bad PCL 107 wRC+ in two seasons at AAA level. Has a nice glove but can't be an everyday player with that bad bat.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: August 4 19, 12:38 pm 
Offline
I'm a jerker by nature....
User avatar

Joined: October 10 13, 12:08 pm
Posts: 906
a_smith wrote:
Medwick's_Ghost wrote:
CardsofSTL wrote:
ShildtForBrains wrote:
3 rbi on 2 hits vs ABQ the other night. Maybe he's worked out whatever was bothering him.

Without Gyorko as a late season option for depth, Carp might be needed. (for better or worse)


Carp is definitely needed...Edman is not a long term solution. I like Edman a lot as a fill in or back up utility player; but we need a productive Carpenter to even have an outside chance of postseason.


How can you say Tommy isn't a long term solution??? He's better and younger. Better and younger is by FAR preferable to older and fading. How can there even be an argument on the issue?


Hey Ducky. How's the spirit world? Can you send down the ghost of Stan? Cardinal nation is not the same without him. I completely agree with you. Edman is much better at helping the cards lose so we can finally tank. That is an excellent plan. If only you wrote a screenplay about it before you became a ghost. You could have called it Major League and made a fortune.
This post confound's me. Can you state your stance with a little less cuteness?

BTW, on "send down Stan"...the spirit world is not up or down. It exists on this plane. Musial hangs out around the batting cage.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: August 4 19, 1:14 pm 
Offline
Perennial All-Star

Joined: November 6 10, 10:58 am
Posts: 7474
Big Amoco Sign wrote:
cardsfantx wrote:
Hey now; if Edman can learn how to hit and get on base, I’d be all about him as a future piece

Yeah...but what gives us any indication that he will?

79 wRC+ so far. Had a very bad PCL 107 wRC+ in two seasons at AAA level. Has a nice glove but can't be an everyday player with that bad bat.


Nothing; was a joke


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 59 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: obucard and 27 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group