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PostPosted: June 11 11, 6:27 pm 
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themiddle54 wrote:
6 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 9 K


Actually it was only 2 ER, one was unearned (maybe a hit got changed to an error or something).

Strauss wrote an article about his first start in Springfield and Miller apparently hit 97 on the gun to one of the Driller batters. Nice.

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PostPosted: June 13 11, 12:57 pm 
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ready to pitch wednesday... loving the 5 man again

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PostPosted: June 14 11, 11:03 am 
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He's gotta be ready to compete for a rotation spot in ST, right?

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I would think so. You can talk about him getting experience all you want, but if the guy's K/9 is over 10 and he's still sporting nearly a 4:1 K:BB ratio, he needs to at least be in the conversation. I like the idea of Lynn as a starter saving the team cash against a league average veteran, and I'm a KMac supporter for his current price...but Shelby may be as good as either of them next year...maybe better. My biggest question is how they'll use him when he first comes up...a la Waino, or a la Garcia?

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PostPosted: June 14 11, 12:21 pm 
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I would think so. You can talk about him getting experience all you want, but if the guy's K/9 is over 10 and he's still sporting nearly a 4:1 K:BB ratio, he needs to at least be in the conversation. I like the idea of Lynn as a starter saving the team cash against a league average veteran, and I'm a KMac supporter for his current price...but Shelby may be as good as either of them next year...maybe better. My biggest question is how they'll use him when he first comes up...a la Waino, or a la Garcia?


I'm totally opposed to the idea of rushing Miller, but if they must bring him up sooner rather than later then why not do it a la Waino?

Put him in the closer's role and let him mow down some batters.

It's like making an impact trade!

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Swingingbunt wrote:
I would think so. You can talk about him getting experience all you want, but if the guy's K/9 is over 10 and he's still sporting nearly a 4:1 K:BB ratio, he needs to at least be in the conversation. I like the idea of Lynn as a starter saving the team cash against a league average veteran, and I'm a KMac supporter for his current price...but Shelby may be as good as either of them next year...maybe better. My biggest question is how they'll use him when he first comes up...a la Waino, or a la Garcia?


I'm totally opposed to the idea of rushing Miller, but if they must bring him up sooner rather than later then why not do it a la Waino?

Put him in the closer's role and let him mow down some batters.

It's like making an impact trade!


Ditto on the bolded part, but is it really rushing him if he's one of the best five arms in the system?

Also important to note about Waino and 2006, IIRC, the rotation that year was set up to be Mulder, Carpenter, Marquis, Suppan, and Ponson. They had Reyes in AAA as the 1st man up, and then traded for Weaver later in the year. Wainwright, at that time, was being noted as "not as polished as Anthony Reyes" and having less untapped potential than Stuart Pomeranz (#facepalm). He went 10-10 in Memphis in 2005 with a 4.4 ERA.

I had really forgotten that, while highly regarded, he didn't exactly bulldoze his way through the upper minors.

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Note: I'm not saying he *is* one of the best five right now, just asking the question.

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Note: I'm not saying he *is* one of the best five right now, just asking the question.


it would depend on him being one of the best 5 arms AND being ready for MLB hitters. I want him to be around for 6 years not just one or two. You have to trust your development team to tell you he is ready. I could see the situation where we have LOL, WTF in the rotation and he is better than those 2 just by having a great fastball.
BUT his curve and change need work and ironing out the kinks might be easier in the minors. If he comes up he makes the team better in the short term by displacing WTF, but he never develops into the true #1 because he needed more time to develop a curve.

Or perhaps he would be better off by being in the pen for a year. I dont know.


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Goldstein in BP today:

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Shelby Miller, RHP, St. Louis Cardinals
There was some thought to starting Miller at Double-A in April, but the Cardinals stayed the course with the 2009 first-round pick and merely moved him up one level to the Florida State League to begin the year. Nine starts and 81 strikeouts in 53 innings later, he was moved to Double-A, and he won't turn 21 years old until after the season. A pure power pitcher with an outstanding fastball/curve combination, Miller has continued to miss bats in his first two starts for Springfield (14 K's in 12 innings) and could be ready by next spring. But his age will make it easier for the Cardinals to manage his development.


I should add this was in a larger piece about Super Two, and the chance that it's eliminated in the next CBA. And that KG covered five guys--Shelby, Trout, Goldschmidt, Moore, Turner--who will likely have their debuts delayed to avoid Super Two, but who are mega studs who are ready now or will be by Opening Day next year.

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Miller went 3-0 on Trout then struck him out.

3IP 4K 2BB 1H 0ER

Trout with the first hit ofthe game for the Travs. Bunt single.

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