As for Tyler Lyons, he isn't a real prospect. He's a tall lefty without a real plus pitch. He's also older. He's a depth guy, but if he keeps succeeding, he keeps himself on the radar. Plenty of guys have made it w/o being a top prospect. He certainly isn't a top-20 guy for me.
Maness is a better prospect, but isn't a top-20 guy for me either.
To be a real prospect, you need tools. Plain and simple.
We've talked about Maness here some. From the way you and others have described him, I would not have him in a prospects list either.
Now, Lyons... Maness had an unbelievable 11.20 K/BB ratio. Wow, that's impressive. Too bad he can't miss a bat to save his life. Lyons, between AA and AAA had a 3.86 K/BB ratio (4.94 at AAA) and a 9.1 K/9 at AAA. He's missing bats while also limiting his BB's. He's got something that can get people out. He is an older player, but he also climbed all the way to AAA and was drafted in '10. So, he's not an older player who stalled out. He's advanced as quickly as a 9th round draftee can probably advance.
I can see where the guys at VEB find him intriguing. I'm intrigued. He might not have tools, but he's doing something to miss bats (while also doing something to get hit pretty hard). I would like to know more about him. Can he get lefties out? We need depth lefties in the system.
Q: What year is it?
A: Ty Wigginton