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Re: 2012 NBA Offseason - Transactions, Rumors and Olympics

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jim wrote:I don't understand the NBA rules at all. Can someone explain how the salary cap works, what is a sign and trade, restricted FA, etc.. I can't even follow the off season because I don't even speak the language.
Salary Cap - the cap is a soft cap which means you can overspend it. If you do, you have to pay a luxury tax that is going to increase in the next two seasons. Right now, for every dollar you go over the cap, you have to pay $1.50 on the dollar to the league and that money is distributed equally to the other teams. So if you're 15,000,000 over the cap, you have to pay your payroll and then on top of that pay 22,500,000 to the rest of the league.

Sign & trade - In the NBA, to get a trade approved, the total value of the contracts traded have to be a certain percentage away from each other to be approved. You couldn't just trade Dwight Howard's contract for someone making $2,000,000. It has to be close to equal. So what a sign and trade does is allows teams to sign a player to a certain contract amount so it can be traded for another player's contract that wouldn't have been close enough in value before the signing. Also, teams who have a player's rights can sign their player to a larger contract than another team if they are unrestricted free agents. That's called the Bird Rule. It's designed to give players incentives to stay with their original team. A sign and trade in that scenario would allow the player to make the most money they can and move to a different team.

Restricted FA - Restricted free agents are at the end of their contract, but no matter how much another team offers them, their original team has the right to match. So Eric Gordon got offered a huge contract by the Suns, but since he's restricted, the Hornets matched and he had to stay. It's designed to prevent young stars from being able to leave their crappy market for more desirable teams. As in the Jeremy Lin situation, teams can choose not to match, allowing the player to take the bigger contract offer.

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AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:has this been discussed? Dream team vs this years team?
I guess Kobe first stirred things up by saying they could beat the Dream Team. He backtracked by saying that if they played a bunch of times, he's sure this current team could win at least once.

I'm not even sure about that.

Kobe talks about how much younger and athletic this current team is compared to the original Dreamers. Well, I believe only one player on that team was older than Kobe (Bird). Magic was the only other guy over 30. And while it was right and it was great to have Bird and Magic on that team, they were pretty much done at that time. They were there for what they had done. They didn't play a lot of minutes (at least Bird didn't because he couldn't).

I agree with what Barkley said that only 3 guys from the current team could probably have made the Dream Team...Kobe, LeBron and possibly Durant. Those 3 could replace Bird, Magic and Laettner. That's it.

Those arguing that the Dream Team was too old or too slow or whatever aren't remembering things too well. Maybe it's forgetting things after 20 years.

Michael Jordan, who is still regarded as a better player than LeBron or Kobe, and probably always will be, was just 29. Many, myself included, think he is the best player in history. And in 1992, he was at his best. He was in his prime, and nobody was better.

Where the Dream Team really runs away with things is defensively, in the post and with depth. Ewing and Robinson, as well as Barkley and Malone, would kill this team inside.

Looking at a possible "2nd team" matchup, you see where depth is a huge advantage for the 92 team. There's probably no set of starters at any time for one game, but here's an example.

92
C-Robinson
PF-Malone
SF-Pippen
SG-Drexler
PG-Stockton

12
C-Love
PF-Iguodola
SF-Harden
SG-Westbrook
PG-Paul

I'm biased, but overall, it would never be close.

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31 points, 7 assists and this:
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In Kobe's mind he is still in his prime and hasn't lost a step at all. I would agree with him though, that in general the current team is more athletic than 1992. The game has changed in that direction quite a bit in the last 20 years. The Dream Team wasn't old at all but there is definitely more raw athletic ability now. There's no question though, that the Dream Team had more skill and fundamental ability and would be too smart to let the game turn into a fast break track meet.

It would be a lot more interesting argument if the current team was at full strength and better balanced. The Dream Team had everyone they wanted. This team should have Dwight Howard and Derrick Rose for sure, plus a few more of Griffin/Bosh/Cousins/Rondo/Irving/Gordon/etc. James Harden and Carmelo Anthony have no business on the team already. I would have also most likely passed on Davis, Westbrook and Iguodala, possibly others. A true dream team of current players could give 1992 a pretty good game.

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cardsfansince82 wrote: It would be a lot more interesting argument if the current team was at full strength and better balanced. The Dream Team had everyone they wanted. This team should have Dwight Howard and Derrick Rose for sure, plus a few more of Griffin/Bosh/Cousins/Rondo/Irving/Gordon/etc. James Harden and Carmelo Anthony have no business on the team already. I would have also most likely passed on Davis, Westbrook and Iguodala, possibly others. A true dream team of current players could give 1992 a pretty good game.
I'd replace Laettner with Shaq on that '92 team. But you are correct that they were able to choose the players that they wanted.

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Only up 7 on Argentina with 4 minutes to play. Anyone that feels the need to hope we lose in the Olympics might get their wish.

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cardsfansince82 wrote:Only up 7 on Argentina with 4 minutes to play. Anyone that feels the need to hope we lose in the Olympics might get their wish.
Hald court offense was stagnant. Friendlies, where one team takes it waaaay more seriously than their more talented opponent, usually look a lot like that. USA will breeze to gold on the strength of their defensive length and athleticism alone.

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So today there are reports that Derrick will probably not be back until March and that we signed Belinelli and a D-Leaguer.

Is GarPax Thibs-proofing this roster? Get his extension cheap after a down year and give him a roster that not even Thibs, with his incredible bag of coach 'em up tricks, can avoid the lottery with?

I doubt it, but it's not crazy talk at this point.

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It's definitely been one big fart of a post-season for Bulls fans.

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Can't be upset about getting Robin Lopez and Hakim Warrick for practically nothing. I don't know which two of Davis/Anderson/ Lopez starts, but having the other off the bench plus Jason Smith (if he isn't moved) is a decent frontcourt rotation. Warrick is useless on D but a decent scoring 5th big.

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