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PostPosted: December 10 18, 2:52 pm 
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I heard Boylan say something about getting more effort from the players. I just don't buy that. These are adults. They're professional basketball players. Having a better cheerleader on the bench isn't going to change a thing.

Turns out Zach Lavine, Jabari Parker and the rest of the roster with the exceptions of Carter, Lopez, and Markannen have become so soft under Hoiberg's leadership that they revolted within a week of Boylen's appointment.

I think Lavine might be a cancer.


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This bulls story rules. They filed a grievance with the players association over a guy who's been their coach for less than a week.

Even better, the same guy sat on an NBA bench for 20 years and when he finally got his shot at the head job, he decides that "red ass high school coach" is the move he should go with in the NBA in 2018. Shockingly, grown men with dozens of millions of guaranteed dollars weren't feeling that.

These dudes deserve each other and I am no longer concerned about a new coach bounce in the Zion sweepstakes.


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Good proof that the coach matters. They’ll ride this out and axe him at season’s end. I’d hope they aim high for the next guy. Not some college coach ownership has a crush on but someone with a proven track record of leadership. That’s all Phil was, a good leader. Kerr is a calm steady dude. Pop, all of the good ones just steer the ship.


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Jimmy Butler is on the JJ Redick Podcast. He talks about the timing of his trade demand and of course that practice. Re the notorious practice, spoilered in case you want to listen to the podcast....

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Jimmy says he was upset that news of what happened got out so fast, and that the one thing that didn't get mentioned is that he took only one shot in the whole practice. He dominated the practice, but did it by dishing out assists, getting boards, stealing the ball and blocking shots.


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Jimmy Butler is on the JJ Redick Podcast. He talks about the timing of his trade demand and of course that practice. Re the notorious practice, spoilered in case you want to listen to the podcast....

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Jimmy says he was upset that news of what happened got out so fast, and that the one thing that didn't get mentioned is that he took only one shot in the whole practice. He dominated the practice, but did it by dishing out assists, getting boards, stealing the ball and blocking shots.

So his on-location interview with Rachel Nichols immediately after that practice was forced upon him, eh? Sure, Jimmy. Sure.


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PostPosted: December 11 18, 7:11 pm 
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Good proof that the coach matters.


Can you elaborate on this?

I definitely agree that good coaching matters in the NBA. Big-time. I don't see Chicago as an example of that though. They sucked under Hoiberg, and they'll suck under Boylen.


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33anda3rd wrote:
Good proof that the coach matters.


Can you elaborate on this?

I definitely agree that good coaching matters in the NBA. Big-time. I don't see Chicago as an example of that though. They sucked under Hoiberg, and they'll suck under Boylen.


The players filed a grievance with their union over Boylen scheduling a practice after back-to-back games. This is unheard of. It's a no-no. If you play NBA2K on the GM mode and you make your players practice after b2b's they come to your office to complain. You don't do it. Boylen does do it. He's, as thrill said, pulling red ass HS coach stuff. "You guys got blown out, everybody is running wind sprints." He held two 2.5 hour practices in his first week, with wind sprints and military-style pushups. These guys keep themselves in great shape, they're pros. You don't punish guys who stay in elite shape with conditioning drills. He subbed the whole starting lineup out TWICE in one game, and doing that just once in a game is a thing that almost never happens and is the coach publicly saying to the players "you five suck, and subs are not for rest at this point but for punishment." It's a public shaming. When he did it early in the second half the half had just started and they had been outscored 5-3. I was at that game. The crowd laughed. Like, WTF? But if you're a player you probably think they're laughing at you. None of this is normal, or ok behavior for a coach. Coach is leader, mentor, cheerleader along with being taskmaster, but Boylen's style so far is 100% stern taskmaster.

Under Boylen they've played 3 games and been outscored by 73 points in those 3 games. In the 7-game losing streak before that, which led to Hoiberg's firing, they were outscored by 67 points. Small sample size under Boylen but a horrible start.

The big problem is how young they are. I forget that Jabari is only 23, seems like he's been in the league longer, but at 23 he's one of the elders. Guys like Carter and Lauri and the other young dudes are going to get discouraged, they're going to talk to other players on other teams who tell them "It's not like that where I'm playing" and they're gong to want to leave.


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PostPosted: December 13 18, 3:37 pm 
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33anda3rd wrote:
Socnorb11 wrote:
33anda3rd wrote:
Good proof that the coach matters.


Can you elaborate on this?

I definitely agree that good coaching matters in the NBA. Big-time. I don't see Chicago as an example of that though. They sucked under Hoiberg, and they'll suck under Boylen.


The players filed a grievance with their union over Boylen scheduling a practice after back-to-back games. This is unheard of. It's a no-no. If you play NBA2K on the GM mode and you make your players practice after b2b's they come to your office to complain. You don't do it. Boylen does do it. He's, as thrill said, pulling red ass HS coach stuff. "You guys got blown out, everybody is running wind sprints." He held two 2.5 hour practices in his first week, with wind sprints and military-style pushups. These guys keep themselves in great shape, they're pros. You don't punish guys who stay in elite shape with conditioning drills. He subbed the whole starting lineup out TWICE in one game, and doing that just once in a game is a thing that almost never happens and is the coach publicly saying to the players "you five suck, and subs are not for rest at this point but for punishment." It's a public shaming. When he did it early in the second half the half had just started and they had been outscored 5-3. I was at that game. The crowd laughed. Like, WTF? But if you're a player you probably think they're laughing at you. None of this is normal, or ok behavior for a coach. Coach is leader, mentor, cheerleader along with being taskmaster, but Boylen's style so far is 100% stern taskmaster.

Under Boylen they've played 3 games and been outscored by 73 points in those 3 games. In the 7-game losing streak before that, which led to Hoiberg's firing, they were outscored by 67 points. Small sample size under Boylen but a horrible start.

The big problem is how young they are. I forget that Jabari is only 23, seems like he's been in the league longer, but at 23 he's one of the elders. Guys like Carter and Lauri and the other young dudes are going to get discouraged, they're going to talk to other players on other teams who tell them "It's not like that where I'm playing" and they're gong to want to leave.


OK. I thought you were talking specifically in terms of W's and L's.


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The West standings crack me up. A damn bloodbath... and the Suns.


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