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 Post subject: Policing for Profit
PostPosted: September 9 16, 9:53 am 
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I see that there's been some discussion on policing for profit and thought this would be an interesting column to share. It's from Tony Messenger at the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and talks about the dilemma of using police as revenue generators.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/colu ... 6b841.html

I believe police reform is one of those things that people of all political stripes -- liberal, conservative and libertarian -- can find common ground on and make serious change. I'm not optimistic because it seems as if the #bluelivesmatter folk see criticism of policing for profit as an attack on LEO, though. We have elected officials outright admitting that speed traps pay for personnel and services. SB5 only goes so far in that it caps traffic fine revenue for municipalities, but if I'm remembering correctly, excess money goes to the state and can be used to fill its coffers. This would be a neat trick to offset lost revenue if Eric Greitens signs off on a deep tax cut and we wind up like Kansas (that's for another thread).

We've completely lost sight of what law enforcement is supposed to do, and maybe it's time for us to figure out different ways of funding police departments if it involves targeting people for low-level traffic violations.


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 Post subject: Re: Policing for Profit
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I really enjoy Tony Messenger's columns.


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I definitely think that if a municipality needs police only to be able to pay for police or minor administrative positions, they could be absorbed into the next largest district entity (county, state, etc). I don't know the logistics of that, but man, St. Ann does not need it's own police force, imo. Tons of municipalities don't, imo.

I'm not sure why need a while lot more than North County, South County, West County police forces. I mean, how much crime does west county even have? The duplication of services seems wasteful on the administrative level too.


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 Post subject: Re: Policing for Profit
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lukethedrifter wrote:
I really enjoy Tony Messenger's columns.


He was an outstanding hire.

docellis wrote:
The duplication of services seems wasteful on the administrative level too.


It is, which is why I believe conservatives would or should get in on police reform. The amount of waste in policing for profit should make them vomit. Not only do you have police departments and cities building their budgets on traffic violations, you have municipal lawyers, municipal prosecutors and like Tony Messenger says, traffic lawyers, getting their cut.


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This is one of my biggest gripes about the police. They often just don't need to exist.

There is some [expletive] hole little town on 79 north of st Louis. There are maybe 200 people in the town and they have a cop that sits there in town ticketing every one he can. I try my best when he's not around to have the cut outs on my exhaust open and make as much noise as possible because [expletive] every single person in that [expletive] hole nothing [expletive] town for putting up with that [expletive] cop.


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When I lived in St. Louis my violation tickets all came from the dreaded I-170 corridor between Delmar and I-70.


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http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/09/09/ ... e-patrols/
(CBS) – A Chicago man, fed up and frustrated with what he says is the rising crime in his neighborhood, takes matters into his own pocketbook — shelling out thousands to pay for private street security.


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Is this more of an urban thing? It's non-existent in small town MO.


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BW23 wrote:
Is this more of an urban thing? It's non-existent in small town MO.

It's far more prevalent in the small towns surrounding Columbia than it is in Columbia. Everybody around here knows not to go even one mph over the limit in Hallsville.


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 Post subject: Re: Policing for Profit
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BW23 wrote:
Is this more of an urban thing? It's non-existent in small town MO.



No it's a big big deal in small town Missouri.


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