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We are so beyond that point already. I'm pretty sure open carry goes beyond that point. I don't know about you guys but when I see someone open carrying I first thing, well is that the guy that kills me because he's going to shoot up this place, or get mad because I support teh gheys, or because he thinks my car is loud? Then I think what a [expletive] [expletive] that guy is, I'll probably get killed by some complete [expletive].

Mod edit: let's keep it civil and focused on the issue.

-MCG

Quick question...

Anyone feel safe when they're around a stranger with a gun?

I believe this is it:

http://www.senate.mo.gov/16info/BTS_Web/Bill.aspx?SessionType=R&BillID=22246426

The relevant addition in bold:

3. A person does not have a duty to retreat:
(1) From a dwelling, residence, or vehicle where the person is not unlawfully entering or unlawfully remaining;
(2) From private property that is owned or leased by such individual; or
(3) If the person is in any other location such person has the right to be.

The earlier paragraph does state that force is not defensible by the initial aggressor:

1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subsection 2 of this section, use physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she reasonably believes such force to be necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful force by such other person, unless:

(1) The actor was the initial aggressor; except that in such case his or her use of force is nevertheless justifiable provided:

(a) He or she has withdrawn from the encounter and effectively communicated such withdrawal to such other person but the latter persists in continuing the incident by the use or threatened use of unlawful force

Which seems like a problematic exception given that I would think that often the only person other than the defendant who could establish such communication of withdrawal is dead, but obviously I have no idea how any of this actually works in practice and this bit isn't new.

Nobody that I know thinks this is a good idea. Nobody on this board thinks it's a good idea.

Don't turn this into a "conservative posters" argument, whoever mentioned that early in the thread. Nobody I know supports this. It's already causing you to lump responsible gun owners in with whatever clowns passed this.

I think it should be CCW requirements for buying a gun (fingerprints, safety course, shooting test, etc). It should be a more extensive course to conceal and carry.

We'll see how many responsible gun owners contact their reps demanding this law be changed.

Yeah here's a hint. Not a damn one.

Sorry for being a butt earlier in the thread, but this is something I'm really curious about.

The problem I have answering that is that people exaggerate the degree to which they're unsafe, which I've come to realize over the years. If you take away all the shootings related to other criminal situations like drugs and gangs, and all the other shootings that happen between acquaintances, there's hardly anything left. If you go into a "crime ridden" neighborhood, and you're minding your own business, you're still probably going to be fine because the criminals aren't going to be concerned about you. Obviously people get mugged sometimes, but it would be interesting to see where that happens most.

Pretty good article on that:

http://hubpages.com/politics/why_do_people_get_murdered

So my default state has become that I feel safe pretty much anywhere. We live fairly close to a troubled commercial area. Troubled in the sense that it used to be a big deal, and now shops close down and every other block or so there's a neglected building here and there along with some newer and more active areas. We've had people tell us they worry about going there, or ask aren't we worried about going there. But we go there to eat, shop for groceries, etc... It's fine.

Anyway - given all that, if I suddenly see someone carrying a handgun I wouldn't say I freak out or anything but that person becomes the one I'm worried about. If it's an larger assault weapon, I want nothing to do with that and will head the other direction.

- Edited a couple times for clarity, and to make it less rambly. Not sure I succeeded.

Honestly, yes. I do. Totally off topic as I don't really see how it relates to this ruling. But if you've been to one breakfast near a hunting ground, you've been to a thousand. Everyone is armed to the tooth, half drinuking and the other half drunk, and it is just kind of awesome.

Now am I sort of implicitly bias to trust drunk rednecks? Probably. But there is my answer.