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Vote or Die
Hillary Clinton 71%  71%  [ 29 ]
Donald Trump 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Gary Johnson 10%  10%  [ 4 ]
Jill Stein 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
I will abstain - Leroy 12%  12%  [ 5 ]
Total votes : 41
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PostPosted: November 4 16, 11:01 am 
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I also understand puts me in a position of not being able to complain about whomever is elected


I already did early voting (and have always voted) but I'm also a firm believer in the Carlin school of thinking on this.

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“I don't vote. Two reasons. First of all it's meaningless; this country was bought and sold a long time ago. The [expletive] they shovel around every 4 years *pfff* doesn't mean a [expletive] thing. Secondly, I believe if you vote, you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around – they say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain', but where's the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people into office who screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem; you voted them in; you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who in fact did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with.


Carlin's right again!


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PostPosted: November 4 16, 12:41 pm 
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I'm sure people will look down upon my decision to not vote in this election, which I also understand puts me in a position of not being able to complain about whomever is elected. But neither one of these candidates are suitable Presidents of the United States. The political process has become a disgrace.


I put Johnson but I'm strongly considering not casting a vote for pres also. I'll bite on the other issues though, how else can I parade around all day with my "I voted" sticker on.


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PostPosted: November 4 16, 12:46 pm 
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How about a Deez Nuts option?


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PostPosted: November 4 16, 12:46 pm 
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Schlich wrote:
cardinalkarp wrote:
I'm sure people will look down upon my decision to not vote in this election, which I also understand puts me in a position of not being able to complain about whomever is elected. But neither one of these candidates are suitable Presidents of the United States. The political process has become a disgrace.


There are more things on the ballot than the President.


Right. For the record, I will be voting............ just not for President.

I completely agree with karp's point here, though. I think America could send a bigger message by staying home on election day (not casting a vote for president) than they can by voting for either of the candidates.

However, I do understand why some people feel the need to cast a vote "against" one candidate or the other.


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PostPosted: November 4 16, 1:34 pm 
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I think America could send a bigger message by staying home on election day (not casting a vote for president) than they can by voting for either of the candidates.

Not sure why anyone would believe this. Your non-vote won't even be noticed much less seen as any kind of message.

A big third-party share carries a greater potential, but at the likely levels we'll see, it'll end up being discussed pretty much exclusively in terms of how it impacted the prospects of the major candidates.


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PostPosted: November 4 16, 1:38 pm 
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I'm have a hard time seeing politicians taking any sort of message or lesson from, say, 25% or 35% turnout instead of 60%

I'd guess that just pushes them further over to wealthier donors and corporations. If you don't have to please or be accountable to the people, you may as well cash in.

I love Carlin but he became really defeatist in his later years.


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PostPosted: November 4 16, 1:52 pm 
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Arthur Dent wrote:
Socnorb11 wrote:
I think America could send a bigger message by staying home on election day (not casting a vote for president) than they can by voting for either of the candidates.

Not sure why anyone would believe this. Your non-vote won't even be noticed much less seen as any kind of message.




MY non-vote won't be noticed.

I said if America stayed home, not if I stayed home.

Realistic? Of course not.


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PostPosted: November 4 16, 1:53 pm 
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cardinalkarp wrote:
JL21 wrote:
cardinalkarp wrote:
I also understand puts me in a position of not being able to complain about whomever is elected


I already did early voting (and have always voted) but I'm also a firm believer in the Carlin school of thinking on this.

Quote:
“I don't vote. Two reasons. First of all it's meaningless; this country was bought and sold a long time ago. The [expletive] they shovel around every 4 years *pfff* doesn't mean a [expletive] thing. Secondly, I believe if you vote, you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around – they say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain', but where's the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people into office who screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem; you voted them in; you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who in fact did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with.


Carlin's right again!



I think if I vote for the person who doesn't win, I have more right to complain than the person who didn't vote. At least I made it public I wanted something different.


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PostPosted: November 4 16, 2:01 pm 
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cardinalkarp wrote:
I'm sure people will look down upon my decision to not vote in this election, which I also understand puts me in a position of not being able to complain about whomever is elected. But neither one of these candidates are suitable Presidents of the United States. The political process has become a disgrace.

Ok, I'll take the bait.

It really bothers me that people are prioritizing generic complaints about the political process given what's happening right now. I completely understand not being a Clinton fan, but the complaints are all very ordinary things people don't like about politics and politicians. On the other hand, a Trump presidency poses substantial risks to the future of American democracy as such, to the international system, to racial peace, and on and on. I realize that sounds over the top, but it's true. Trump crosses every line and no one stops him. The only ones who can are we the voters, and we must do so.


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Arthur Dent wrote:
cardinalkarp wrote:
I'm sure people will look down upon my decision to not vote in this election, which I also understand puts me in a position of not being able to complain about whomever is elected. But neither one of these candidates are suitable Presidents of the United States. The political process has become a disgrace.

Ok, I'll take the bait.

It really bothers me that people are prioritizing generic complaints about the political process given what's happening right now. I completely understand not being a Clinton fan, but the complaints are all very ordinary things people don't like about politics and politicians. On the other hand, a Trump presidency poses substantial risks to the future of American democracy as such, to the international system, to racial peace, and on and on. I realize that sounds over the top, but it's true. Trump crosses every line and no one stops him. The only ones who can are we the voters, and we must do so.


I couldn't agree more.


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