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PostPosted: April 30 19, 12:28 pm 
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Did you know that babies are born healthy and happy, wrapped up tenderly in a little baby blanket, and then executed by feminists and liberal doctors? I did not know that. Somebody really out to put a stop to that kind of thing.

The [expletive] this guy says these days is just completely bananas.


Yeah but my wife's mom and one of her sisters hear that and then they think it's the truth and then they believe that doctors are executing swaddled babies in order to carry out the liberal agenda of killing babies because that's a totally rational and sane thing to thing, that liberals--the party that demonstrates care of people over corporations and is for equality for all people--want to kill people.


If we've devolved that much as a country that people actually believe that kind of thing, then we're so far gone as a country it doesn't even matter any longer.


This was at his recent rally in Wisconsin. He even made a chopping motion with his hand as he described this, as if the doctors behead the baby.

It's bananas.


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G. Keenan wrote:
cardinalkarp wrote:
33anda3rd wrote:
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Did you know that babies are born healthy and happy, wrapped up tenderly in a little baby blanket, and then executed by feminists and liberal doctors? I did not know that. Somebody really out to put a stop to that kind of thing.

The [expletive] this guy says these days is just completely bananas.


Yeah but my wife's mom and one of her sisters hear that and then they think it's the truth and then they believe that doctors are executing swaddled babies in order to carry out the liberal agenda of killing babies because that's a totally rational and sane thing to thing, that liberals--the party that demonstrates care of people over corporations and is for equality for all people--want to kill people.


If we've devolved that much as a country that people actually believe that kind of thing, then we're so far gone as a country it doesn't even matter any longer.


This was at his recent rally in Wisconsin. He even made a chopping motion with his hand as he described this, as if the doctors behead the baby.

It's bananas.

And incitement to violence. But who gives a [expletive]?


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G. Keenan wrote:
cardinalkarp wrote:
33anda3rd wrote:
G. Keenan wrote:
Did you know that babies are born healthy and happy, wrapped up tenderly in a little baby blanket, and then executed by feminists and liberal doctors? I did not know that. Somebody really out to put a stop to that kind of thing.

The [expletive] this guy says these days is just completely bananas.


Yeah but my wife's mom and one of her sisters hear that and then they think it's the truth and then they believe that doctors are executing swaddled babies in order to carry out the liberal agenda of killing babies because that's a totally rational and sane thing to thing, that liberals--the party that demonstrates care of people over corporations and is for equality for all people--want to kill people.


If we've devolved that much as a country that people actually believe that kind of thing, then we're so far gone as a country it doesn't even matter any longer.


This was at his recent rally in Wisconsin. He even made a chopping motion with his hand as he described this, as if the doctors behead the baby.

It's bananas.

For those that are moderate, to left of center and believe Trump is not worth losing friends family over:

I don't know how you do it.


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Freed Roger wrote:
G. Keenan wrote:
cardinalkarp wrote:
33anda3rd wrote:
G. Keenan wrote:
Did you know that babies are born healthy and happy, wrapped up tenderly in a little baby blanket, and then executed by feminists and liberal doctors? I did not know that. Somebody really out to put a stop to that kind of thing.

The [expletive] this guy says these days is just completely bananas.


Yeah but my wife's mom and one of her sisters hear that and then they think it's the truth and then they believe that doctors are executing swaddled babies in order to carry out the liberal agenda of killing babies because that's a totally rational and sane thing to thing, that liberals--the party that demonstrates care of people over corporations and is for equality for all people--want to kill people.


If we've devolved that much as a country that people actually believe that kind of thing, then we're so far gone as a country it doesn't even matter any longer.


This was at his recent rally in Wisconsin. He even made a chopping motion with his hand as he described this, as if the doctors behead the baby.

It's bananas.

For those that are moderate, to left of center and believe Trump is not worth losing friends family over:

I don't know how you do it.


I have a neighbor who is for Trump. We don’t talk about politics. We both post about politics on Facebook so I assume we both know where we stand, but she hasn’t said anything to me and I haven’t said anything to her. I like it that way.


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Err uuummm we've had an embargo in place against Cuba since 1958.



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PostPosted: May 1 19, 1:04 pm 
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James Comey: How Trump Co-opts Leaders Like Bill Barr
Accomplished people lacking inner strength can’t resist the compromises necessary to survive this president.

By James Comey
Mr. Comey is the former F.B.I. director.

May 1, 2019

People have been asking me hard questions. What happened to the leaders in the Trump administration, especially the attorney general, Bill Barr, who I have said was due the benefit of the doubt?

How could Mr. Barr, a bright and accomplished lawyer, start channeling the president in using words like “no collusion” and F.B.I. “spying”? And downplaying acts of obstruction of justice as products of the president’s being “frustrated and angry,” something he would never say to justify the thousands of crimes prosecuted every day that are the product of frustration and anger?

How could he write and say things about the report by Robert Mueller, the special counsel, that were apparently so misleading that they prompted written protest from the special counsel himself?

How could Mr. Barr go before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday and downplay President Trump’s attempt to fire Mr. Mueller before he completed his work?

And how could Rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, after the release of Mr. Mueller’s report that detailed Mr. Trump’s determined efforts to obstruct justice, give a speech quoting the president on the importance of the rule of law? Or on resigning, thank a president who relentlessly attacked both him and the Department of Justice he led for “the courtesy and humor you often display in our personal conversations”?

What happened to these people?

I don’t know for sure. People are complicated, so the answer is most likely complicated. But I have some idea from four months of working close to Mr. Trump and many more months of watching him shape others.

Amoral leaders have a way of revealing the character of those around them. Sometimes what they reveal is inspiring. For example, James Mattis, the former secretary of defense, resigned over principle, a concept so alien to Mr. Trump that it took days for the president to realize what had happened, before he could start lying about the man.

But more often, proximity to an amoral leader reveals something depressing. I think that’s at least part of what we’ve seen with Bill Barr and Rod Rosenstein. Accomplished people lacking inner strength can’t resist the compromises necessary to survive Mr. Trump and that adds up to something they will never recover from. It takes character like Mr. Mattis’s to avoid the damage, because Mr. Trump eats your soul in small bites.

It starts with your sitting silent while he lies, both in public and private, making you complicit by your silence. In meetings with him, his assertions about what “everyone thinks” and what is “obviously true” wash over you, unchallenged, as they did at our private dinner on Jan. 27, 2017, because he’s the president and he rarely stops talking. As a result, Mr. Trump pulls all of those present into a silent circle of assent.

Speaking rapid-fire with no spot for others to jump into the conversation, Mr. Trump makes everyone a co-conspirator to his preferred set of facts, or delusions. I have felt it — this president building with his words a web of alternative reality and busily wrapping it around all of us in the room.

I must have agreed that he had the largest inauguration crowd in history because I didn’t challenge that. Everyone must agree that he has been treated very unfairly. The web building never stops.

From the private circle of assent, it moves to public displays of personal fealty at places like cabinet meetings. While the entire world is watching, you do what everyone else around the table does — you talk about how amazing the leader is and what an honor it is to be associated with him.

Sure, you notice that Mr. Mattis never actually praises the president, always speaking instead of the honor of representing the men and women of our military. But he’s a special case, right? Former Marine general and all. No way the rest of us could get away with that. So you praise, while the world watches, and the web gets tighter.

Next comes Mr. Trump attacking institutions and values you hold dear — things you have always said must be protected and which you criticized past leaders for not supporting strongly enough. Yet you are silent. Because, after all, what are you supposed to say? He’s the president of the United States.

You feel this happening. It bothers you, at least to some extent. But his outrageous conduct convinces you that you simply must stay, to preserve and protect the people and institutions and values you hold dear. Along with Republican members of Congress, you tell yourself you are too important for this nation to lose, especially now.

You can’t say this out loud — maybe not even to your family — but in a time of emergency, with the nation led by a deeply unethical person, this will be your contribution, your personal sacrifice for America. You are smarter than Donald Trump, and you are playing a long game for your country, so you can pull it off where lesser leaders have failed and gotten fired by tweet.

Of course, to stay, you must be seen as on his team, so you make further compromises. You use his language, praise his leadership, tout his commitment to values.

And then you are lost. He has eaten your soul.

James Comey is the former F.B.I. director and author of “A Higher Loyalty: Truth, Lies, and Leadership.”



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PostPosted: May 1 19, 1:16 pm 
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G. Keenan wrote:
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James Comey: How Trump Co-opts Leaders Like Bill Barr
Accomplished people lacking inner strength can’t resist the compromises necessary to survive this president.

By James Comey



This is a really great piece and I'm glad you posted it. When I read it this morning, though, all I could think of was how I wish we had a similar op-ed in the Times from a former Trump supporter, someone notable, saying "this is how Trump attracts voters lacking inner strength who can't resist the compromises in ethics, logic, rationality and sanity necessary to vote for him."

Brass tacks: it's Trump voters. It's always been Trump voters. They cheer at rallies, they vote for him, they support him now. There is something deeply wrong with these people, and with the co-opting of the religious cult of "values voters" by this scam artist.


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PostPosted: May 1 19, 1:28 pm 
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Accomplished people lacking inner strength can’t resist the compromises necessary to survive this president.

What a bunch of BS.

Barr, a veteran of Iran-Contra, was hired specifically because he would protect Trump. He was not compromised by subtle forces emanating from the unique evil of Trump personally. He's an old Party hand acting as a representative of the existing Republican Party's overwhelming consensus.

The rot is deep, and a cretin like Barr is entitled to no asinine excuses.


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