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PostPosted: April 24 19, 9:11 am 
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Would be cool if we made Saying Things That Are Demonstrable Lies To The Detriment And Risk Of The Greater Public illegal. Oh, you went on InfoWars and said people’s kids didn’t really die in a massacre in which they obviously died? That will be 10 years in prison. Parole? LOL no. Oh you promoted that Pizzagate nonsense that led to someone shooting the place up and another person setting fire to it? That will be life. Welcome to the Huckabee-Sanders wing of the prison. If you’re lucky you can catch the namesake working out in the yard during the 4 minutes a day she’s allowed to see the light. We could make room for all of them by letting all the black kids busted for petty weed crimes out of prison.

It's already illegal to yell fire in a crowded theater. What you propose isn't all that much different. Our times are so politically charged, it's like a powderkeg waiting for a match.


There's just one very crucial difference.

No one is normalizing crying fire in a theater. No one is profiting off crying fire in a theater.

Sorry, that's two crucial differences.


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This deal where Trump ignores subpoenas from the House does not sound like a positive development.


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When we punish the investigators:
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/43j ... estigators

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WASHINGTON — President Trump’s calls to “investigate the investigators” are becoming reality.

Attorney General William Barr assigned Connecticut’s top federal prosecutor, John Durham, to probe the origins of the investigation into Trump’s ties to Russia, The New York Times and other outlets reported Monday night, citing unidentified sources.

The assignment comes a month after Barr said he believes U.S. officials engaged in “spying” on the Trump campaign, and announced plans to review whether such conduct might have been an abuse of power. Barr has cast a suspicious eye on top former officials at the FBI, without naming names or making specific allegations.

Pressing forward with an investigation into the origins of the Russia investigation will likely incense Democrats and plenty of former prosecutors, who have maintained there is little reason in the public record to believe that the probe began without a sufficient basis.

Jim Baker, the top lawyer for the FBI when the investigation began, has come forward in recent days to defend the way the probe was launched and run, saying, “I want to talk about the origin of the investigation to reassure the American people that it was done for lawful, legitimate reasons and was apolitical throughout, in my experience.”


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Two days after President Trump rallied his base in Florida’s Panhandle, vowing hundreds of millions of dollars in aid for the hurricane-devastated region, three local radio stations said they would air Trump speeches daily until the 2020 election.

The stations will broadcast two-minute snippets of Trump speeches every hour of every day -- perhaps sometimes twice an hour -- until the end of the presidential race, owner Samuel Rogatinsky said.

“We ran it by a bunch of listeners and people in the area, and nobody’s upset about it. It’s Republican territory,” Rogatinsky said Monday. “Nobody’s offended by it. It’s not an issue.”


https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os ... story.html


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PostPosted: May 14 19, 1:04 pm 
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We really should go back to paper, or at least mandate that every electronically-cast vote has a corresponding paper receipt. Electronic voting systems stand no chance against sophisticated hackers, let alone against state-sponsored hackers from Russia, China, or wherever. [expletive]' France could hack state election systems and mess with the votes if they wanted to. France, if you're listening . . .



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We really should go back to paper, or at least mandate that every electronically-cast vote has a corresponding paper receipt. Electronic voting systems stand no chance against sophisticated hackers, let alone against state-sponsored hackers from Russia, China, or wherever. [expletive]' France could hack state election systems and mess with the votes if they wanted to. France, if you're listening . . .



I feel like this is something we have completely looked past while distracted by the specter of “collusion”.

Russian social media interference is ultimately a distraction. If they are sophisticated (and they likely are), it would not be impossible to hack into a few election systems in key swing states and change the outcome of an election. Also knowing that the winners of said election also control both houses of congress, would be able to stack the supreme court, and ultimately ensure that an investigation into any suspected foul play would never be conducted. Especially in states already controlled by Republicans at the state level.

The House needs to push investigations into these voter systems. Regardless of the outcome of the 2016 election, we need to know going forward that our elections cannot be influenced by foreign powers. What is more foundational to our republic than that?


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What is more foundational to our republic than that?


For some, the answer is apparently, "white supremacy." That is more important to a whole lot of people than whether or not our elections are legitimate.

But to your real question, yeah, a tremendous vulnerability in our electoral system has been revealed. Hackers need only game the vote in a few counties in a few states to change the outcome of the entire thing. The system is so fragmented that such intrusions are very difficult to detect. We have no real way to audit the vote in many states and municipalities.

Such a scary thing, and yet, the President to this day will not acknowledge that it happened and will not defend against future meddling. They have literally cut back on cyber security spending at Homeland Security. Wonder why that could be?


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What is more foundational to our republic than that?


For some, the answer is apparently, "white supremacy." That is more important to a whole lot of people than whether or not our elections are legitimate.


I think that’s too easy of answer. I know plenty of people who are not white supremacists, but are dyed-in-the-wool fiscal Republicans who are firmly in the camp that the economy is booming under Trump, and we shouldn’t care about stupid Russian meddling. That’s short-term thinking (which shouldn’t be surprising, since these same people don’t care about climate change either). But most people vote based on the short term.

The security of our elections should be the easiest bi-partisan support to ever raise. But Trump has even tainted that. You’ll never convince the majority of current Republicans that looking into 2016 ballot interference is anything other than Dems being sore losers.


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Popeye_Card wrote:
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What is more foundational to our republic than that?


For some, the answer is apparently, "white supremacy." That is more important to a whole lot of people than whether or not our elections are legitimate.


I think that’s too easy of answer. I know plenty of people who are not white supremacists, but are dyed-in-the-wool fiscal Republicans who are firmly in the camp that the economy is booming under Trump, and we shouldn’t care about stupid Russian meddling. That’s short-term thinking (which shouldn’t be surprising, since these same people don’t care about climate change either). But most people vote based on the short term.

The security of our elections should be the easiest bi-partisan support to ever raise. But Trump has even tainted that. You’ll never convince the majority of current Republicans that looking into 2016 ballot interference is anything other than Dems being sore losers.


And those fiscal Republicans are not concerned by the current explosion in deficits under Trump? They are not concerned by his tariffs and resulting farm subsidies? Of course they aren't.

We're talking about the same folks who don't have qualms about disenfranchising all manner of their fellow citizens in order to help their electoral chances. These are the same folks who never stop inventing ways to make it harder for certain demographics to vote. They support it! So why care if the Russians are in it to help their side, right?

This mentality goes back into our deep past and the earliest days of the Republic. It's still very much alive in hearts and minds.


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Popeye_Card wrote:
G. Keenan wrote:
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What is more foundational to our republic than that?


For some, the answer is apparently, "white supremacy." That is more important to a whole lot of people than whether or not our elections are legitimate.


I think that’s too easy of answer. I know plenty of people who are not white supremacists, but are dyed-in-the-wool fiscal Republicans who are firmly in the camp that the economy is booming under Trump, and we shouldn’t care about stupid Russian meddling. That’s short-term thinking (which shouldn’t be surprising, since these same people don’t care about climate change either). But most people vote based on the short term.

Number of voters who say they vote on "fiscal conservatism": Many
Number who actually do: Almost nobody

The generous and largely correct interpretation of this is that people stick with their identity which includes voting Republican mostly independent of what Republicans are actually up to.

The alternative explanation, which is also correct, is that official fiscal conservatism supposedly related to things like fiscal deficits is actually just code for white supremacy. Public resources should be directed to the "right" people. This interpretation, unlike official advertised fiscal conservatism also has the advantage of being in line with the actual behavior of the Republican party.


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