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 Post subject: Re: THE WALL
PostPosted: January 25 19, 2:56 pm 
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Is it me or is this stupid wall the new abortion? The one breaking point issue for a certain branch of our politicians that everything else will have to hinge on.


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33anda3rd wrote:
Is it me or is this stupid wall the new abortion? The one breaking point issue for a certain branch of our politicians that everything else will have to hinge on.

not to that level, yet. it is tied up in a whole lot of faux wedge issues that GOP machine is cultivating i.e. human trafficking. one world order.

Kind of interesting though, those MAGA catholic boys , while being dickhead kids was main thing they were doing, . . professing their love for Trump's Wall seemed greater than love for anti-abortion issue.


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It just seems like when we get to a point where we are shutting down the government over a symbol of nationalist isolationism and the whole thing hinges on that stupid issue....well, if I were French or Nigerian or South African or Chinese or Australian looking in on this whole thing I'd be like 'These people have lost their god damn minds."


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Sounds like a successful version of Venezuela.


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 Post subject: Re: THE WALL
PostPosted: January 25 19, 3:11 pm 
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33anda3rd wrote:
It just seems like when we get to a point where we are shutting down the government over a symbol of nationalist isolationism and the whole thing hinges on that stupid issue....well, if I were French or Nigerian or South African or Chinese or Australian looking in on this whole thing I'd be like 'These people have lost their god damn minds."

check out that video of the Colorado senator on the floor -he gets into this part - what a laughingstock we've become, abroad. More importantly, Not just being laughed at, but also losing ground to foreign entities with this Wall and assorted Freedom caucus horse [expletive].


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I always find the "foreigners are laughing at us" argument weird. One, what does that matter really? And two, seems more relevant that we see ourselves as a laughingstock. No need to project it onto foreigners. It's a kind of weird nationalism that we have to argue that we should stop being dysfunctional and self-destructive because of our competition with others.


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I always find the "foreigners are laughing at us" argument weird. One, what does that matter really? And two, seems more relevant that we see ourselves as a laughingstock. No need to project it onto foreigners. It's a kind of weird nationalism that we have to argue that we should stop being dysfunctional and self-destructive because of our competition with others.

For any other country I'd agree. But remember - we are the 'indispensible nation' and, more importantly, our currency is the world's reserve currency because we were the strongest and most stable country.

All of that is now being questioned. And with our debt load, the reserve currency status is necessary for us to continue to enjoy the economy that we do. When the world decides to hedge their dollar holdings because of the shenanigans they see going on, Katy bar the door. IMO.


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Arthur Dent wrote:
I always find the "foreigners are laughing at us" argument weird. One, what does that matter really? And two, seems more relevant that we see ourselves as a laughingstock. No need to project it onto foreigners. It's a kind of weird nationalism that we have to argue that we should stop being dysfunctional and self-destructive because of our competition with others.

I framed that wrong., it isn't the laughing part that matters,.Right, who cares.

What matters, (and what that Colo Sen mentioned) is that Other countries are getting [expletive] done that may be productive (landing on the moon, mass transit systems, research etc etc) and we are not.
Our footing with allies or developing nations...we are such a bunch of [expletive] ups, why wouldnt they look at us and then give China or Russia a harder look?


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33anda3rd wrote:
Is it me or is this stupid wall the new abortion? The one breaking point issue for a certain branch of our politicians that everything else will have to hinge on.


I don't think it will have the staying power of the abortion issue. The pro-life crowd has a very real moral objection to legal abortion. I don't agree with it personally, but I don't doubt their sincerity.

Nobody was asking for the wall until Trump came along and promised it. The symbolism of it was crack to these people and they've been hooked ever since. The GOP will gradually find some other way to channel their inchoate anger into some other folly.


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