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PostPosted: August 17 17, 9:14 am 
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The old slippery slope logic fallacy. Remember when gay marriage was going to lead to people marrying farm animals, etc?

You can't?! I had a private ceremony with my alpaca the other day.


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PostPosted: August 17 17, 9:15 am 
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Diddy wrote:
So how do you see it playing out? Legitimately where does it stop?


I think it stops once we remove these confederate glorification statues from public places. Most of them were erected during the early 1900's and 50's as a protest to the civil rights movements.

Confederate statues belong in museums and specific historic locations where they can be given proper context.


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PostPosted: August 17 17, 9:27 am 
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BTW, you'll notice Trump is shifting the discussion from nazi's to statue protection which polls much better:

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PostPosted: August 17 17, 9:38 am 
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Michael wrote:

Confederate statues belong in museums and specific historic locations where they can be given proper context.


Do you think they will be allowed in those museums and specific locations?


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Imagine if you were a Jew (hi!) and there were monuments to Hitler and other Nazi commanders in public schools, courts, and parks where you live. What message would that send to you?

If you're a black person in America, slavery has the same meaning. It was a system in which untold numbers of your ancestors were held as property and raped, beaten, and murdered with impunity, under full color of law.

The Holocaust happened about one full lifetime ago; slavery ended two full lifetimes ago. In the grand scheme of things, neither is that far in the past. The lingering after-effects of both remain. I don't have to imagine how hurtful these tributes to confederate "heroes" are to African Americans, because they are telling us directly in their own words.


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PostPosted: August 17 17, 9:41 am 
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Diddy wrote:
Michael wrote:

Confederate statues belong in museums and specific historic locations where they can be given proper context.


Do you think they will be allowed in those museums and specific locations?


Yes.

Why don't you think they'll be allowed in museums? Is that something anyone is disagreeing with? Do people seriously protest museums that seriously explore WW2 Nazi propaganda devices and/or other dark chapters in world history?


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PostPosted: August 17 17, 9:46 am 
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Imagine if you were a Jew (hi!) and there were monuments to Hitler and other Nazi commanders in public schools, courts, and parks where you live. What message would that send to you?

If you're a black person in America, slavery has the same meaning. It was a system in which untold numbers of your ancestors were held as property and raped, beaten, and murdered with impunity, under full color of law.

The Holocaust happened about one full lifetime ago; slavery ended two full lifetimes ago. In the grand scheme of things, neither is that far in the past. The lingering after-effects of both remain. I don't have to imagine how hurtful these tributes to confederate "heroes" are to African Americans, because they are telling us directly in their own words.


I don't believe I've said anything against taking them down. I just wonder where it stops.


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PostPosted: August 17 17, 9:47 am 
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Diddy I don't think you're asking unfair questions.


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PostPosted: August 17 17, 9:56 am 
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Michael wrote:
Diddy wrote:
Michael wrote:

Confederate statues belong in museums and specific historic locations where they can be given proper context.


Do you think they will be allowed in those museums and specific locations?


Yes.

Why don't you think they'll be allowed in museums? Is that something anyone is disagreeing with? Do people seriously protest museums that seriously explore WW2 Nazi propaganda devices and/or other dark chapters in world history?


It's been nearly a year ago but protestors in NYC demanded a statue of pres Roosevelt be removed because he was racist. It would not supprise me if a CSA museum filled with statues would be met with protests and vandalism.


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PostPosted: August 17 17, 10:05 am 
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Diddy wrote:
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I saw an article yesterday where the mayor of Chicago wants to remove washingtons and jeffersons names from a presidential memorial in Chicago. I'm not backing Trump here but where does it stop?

not accurate.

a pastor asked the mayor to remove names/statues.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... emove-geo/


So how do you see it playing out? Legitimately where does it stop?


hopefully it stops before it starts. Hopefully people stop telling other people "the mayor of Chicago wants to remove Washington's and Jefferson's names from a presidential memorial" so that it can't be repeated until it is falsely considered fact by some.


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