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PostPosted: March 16 19, 11:27 am 
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Boeing 737 being grounded is causing a lot of chaos with air travel. Southwest is getting hammered. My wife had a helluva time with cancelled Sw, had to rebook with delta and await SW reimbursement. (we are fortunate to be able to do that).
Never got thru to SW, after being hold for 4 hours. She found out somehow that 10k people were on hold. Scheduled to fly back on a Southest 737 too.

Anyways she is fine. But awful mess for Boeing. Southwest. Jobs stock prices get affected. Heard that the black box went to Germany -our FAA left in kind of in a lurch

Seismic wave affect. Then throw in thousands of flights cancelled due to weather situations (which are getting more normal 1300 in Denver the other day) Again, safety has to be first In light of the tragedy. Still it is a reminder of how fragile things can be, and things we take for granted.


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Honestly I'd prefer it that the black box not be sent here to the US for analysis - Boeing lobbyists would try and sway the results I'm sure. Just like if it was an Airbus plane I wouldn't really want it to be sent to France for analysis (or the US, since we now have Airbus planes being built here as well). Hell, Boeing's CEO personally called Trump to tell him everything was fine and that there was no cause to ground the 737 MAX series aircraft in the US. Trump's current Defense Secretary spent 30 years at Boeing.

It's no surprise to me at all that the US was the last country to ground the 737 MAX and that up until a couple hours prior to the official grounding announcement, the FAA was still publicly boasting that everything was fine and there was no cause for alarm.


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PostPosted: March 16 19, 11:28 am 
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I ran into a friend who works at Boeing the day of the crash. He was clearly bummed out about the crash and what was to come. Heard an airline expert on NPR -while 737 aren't prevalent just a few percent is enough to throw things out of whack.
Another concern is that 737s was in their pipeline, along with future 797. Expert mentioned how 50 new 737 planes a month(i think) -get stymied. no place to park them at the plant and possibly can't fly them to park elsewhere.

The issue you are talking about, I never though about. But the guy on NPR did say something of how FAA studdered on this.

Again, it is a precarious situation -a powerful quasi-monopoly with intrinsic govt ownership on the DOD side., that is a publicly traded company key to the stock market and lots of livelihoods ....not to mention the safety of people using their products. Easy to see why Team Trump Grift USA, recognized this power play early on and made Boeing CEO do the dance for AF1, etc.


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FWIW Trump acolyte Nikki Haley was added to Boeing's board recently. The circle of power and accountability/oversight in this country is guild age-1890s small in the USA.


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PostPosted: March 16 19, 11:29 am 
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Swirls wrote:
Honestly I'd prefer it that the black box not be sent here to the US for analysis - Boeing lobbyists would try and sway the results I'm sure. Just like if it was an Airbus plane I wouldn't really want it to be sent to France for analysis (or the US, since we now have Airbus planes being built here as well). Hell, Boeing's CEO personally called Trump to tell him everything was fine and that there was no cause to ground the 737 MAX series aircraft in the US. Trump's current Defense Secretary spent 30 years at Boeing.

It's no surprise to me at all that the US was the last country to ground the 737 MAX and that up until a couple hours prior to the official grounding announcement, the FAA was still publicly boasting that everything was fine and there was no cause for alarm.

Am I wrong that this level of corruption in airplane safety is a real Trump innovation? I was under the impression that the U.S. had been an international leader in high quality accident investigations.


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PostPosted: March 16 19, 11:29 am 
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Yeah, prior to the current administration, I wouldn't have had that concern. It is my understanding that members of the NTSB will be flying to France to be present during the investigation (along with the NTSB's equivalent from other countries).

https://thepointsguy.com/news/boeings-c ... 737-max-8/

This is a good summary of the position as well:

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Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg personally called President Donald Trump on Tuesday to guarantee the airworthiness of the Boeing 737 MAX, according to the New York Times.

The Times reported that Muilenburg and Trump were already scheduled to speak Monday after the president tweeted about aviation technology compromising passenger safety. “Airplanes are becoming far too complex to fly,” Trump tweeted. “…The complexity creates danger.”


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thanks for the link Swirls. Wow. This is as interesting all heck.

Pure conjecture here, I want to read more: some initial thoughts -it really struck me how Trump went after Boeing on day 1. (Kushner Icahn Bannon DOD dude must have pointed out the prize to the dumb ass).

Then later they were friends. I love Boeing! said Donald
Muilenburg is in a sort of a spot, since he did the donald dance. But still has leverage against king orange, because who else is going to make planes like this for our military and to keep commerce rolling ?

My Boeing friend (a lib btw) he knew this was going to be bad.


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Joe Shlabotnik wrote:
Why doesn't the government have resources for the job?


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PostPosted: March 16 19, 11:30 am 
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Lots of good info here about Boeing Govt and hence, Trump relationship.
https://qz.com/1572381/the-relationship-between-boeing-trump-and-the-federal-government/ Boeing and government obviously got to have relations...

however Muilenburg should have never dealt direct (publicly)with the banana stand mafioso in the manner he has.

And $1 Million Boeing donation to Trump inaugaration fund. [expletive] that.


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lukethedrifter wrote:
https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-safety/the-world-pulls-the-andon-cord-on-the-737-max/


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