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PostPosted: June 4 19, 11:16 am 
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This is more how it plays out - a person working 2 jobs is hungry and tired but wants a better situation. Well, there are none around. So when they're at the store buying food, they take out a dollar and buy a scratch ticket. Or when they are home, they give a dollar to the prosperity preacher on TV. Will either of these things work out for them? Not likely, but hey, it kept the feeling of hopelessness away for a few seconds. There is no one else in their life offering them a chance at a better life but things like these. Similar hopelessness is fueling drug abuse, too. Drugs are not going to improve anyone's situation in the long term, but in the short term, they can escape that hopeless feeling for a bit.


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Citations Needed Episode 63: Gambling and Neoliberal Rot - How Our Most Regressive Tax Flies Under the Radar


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PostPosted: June 4 19, 11:36 am 
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As this applies to IL, and this is probably a comment best suited for the Illinois thread, a few thoughts.

We have no control over the casinos that are very tactically placed near our border in the state of Indiana. Those Gary/Hammond casinos are basically suburban Chicago casinos, and the tax revenue from them goes out of IL despite IL citizens and tourists visiting IL spending a lot of money there. In an ideal world, they're not there. In the world we live in, they're there, there's demand, and it's tax revenue we hemorrhage annually and need to recapture. This is not about the "neoliberal promise of growth and jobs" it's about tax revenue for the state, which is desperately needed since everything outside the sphere of Chicago and the suburbs is failing to produce industry, jobs, tax revenue.

Also, IL is raising income taxes on the rich. The casino is not an alternative to making the rich pay more of their fair share, it's a measure being taken in collaboration with that tax hike.


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PostPosted: June 4 19, 11:40 am 
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Also, IL is raising income taxes on the rich. The casino is not an alternative to making the rich pay more of their fair share, it's a measure being taken in collaboration with that tax hike.


**Possible tax hike. It requires an amendment to the state constitution to raise the state income tax, which will be on the ballot in November 2020. Probably an uphill battle for it to pass. We'll see.


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PostPosted: June 8 19, 8:32 am 
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G. Keenan wrote:
33anda3rd wrote:

Also, IL is raising income taxes on the rich. The casino is not an alternative to making the rich pay more of their fair share, it's a measure being taken in collaboration with that tax hike.


**Possible tax hike. It requires an amendment to the state constitution to raise the state income tax, which will be on the ballot in November 2020. Probably an uphill battle for it to pass. We'll see.

Pretty sure an amendment is needed to change from a flat tax to a graduated tax, not to raise taxes. Taxes have gone up and down a couple of times in recent years (from 3.5 up to 5, back down to 3.5, then up to the current 4.95).


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PostPosted: June 10 19, 9:12 am 
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Smith Corks One wrote:
G. Keenan wrote:
33anda3rd wrote:

Also, IL is raising income taxes on the rich. The casino is not an alternative to making the rich pay more of their fair share, it's a measure being taken in collaboration with that tax hike.


**Possible tax hike. It requires an amendment to the state constitution to raise the state income tax, which will be on the ballot in November 2020. Probably an uphill battle for it to pass. We'll see.

Pretty sure an amendment is needed to change from a flat tax to a graduated tax, not to raise taxes. Taxes have gone up and down a couple of times in recent years (from 3.5 up to 5, back down to 3.5, then up to the current 4.95).


Good point. Yes, a graduated tax is what will be on the ballot in 2020 because it does require amending the state constitution.


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Apparently just retired at the end of May. Wonder if the Rev was forced to retire.

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Rev Greg Weeks was the youth minister (or associate maybe) at my church when i was still going in my mid teens.

https://revgregweeks.com/suggestions-fo ... methodism/

If a new Methodist denomination results, it will have to repair the considerable damage done thanks to the debacle of the 2019 GC. Non-believers are totally turned off by religious in-fighting. Who can blame them? When they see us spending millions of dollars in a General Conference to debate what’s a non-issue for them, it only reinforces religious stereotypes. In the eyes of the world, we’re now no different from the Franklin Grahams who denounce anyone who would label themselves gay and Christian, such as Pete Buttigieg.

Direction from Modern Secularism

If we’re going to explore a new Methodist expression, maybe it’s healthy to start by listening to what modern secularism is telling us. After all, religion isn’t required in order to be moral or ethical. Indeed, when you see people who profess no faith caring for people just as passionately as the religious are supposed to, we can take note of some things

Israeli historian Yuval Harari, in his book 21 Lessons for the 21st Century, wrote about the ideals of modern secularism. He saw four key values of ethical secularists.

Truth. Reason, commonsense, experience, the sciences. These resist the bending of truth to support hidden agendas. For us religious folks, honest inquiry should inform our faith and ethics. A faithful mind is an inquiring mind. Climate change is real. What are we going to do about it? You cannot choose your sexual orientation. How does that affect how we read the Bible and understand the Gospel?

Compassion. Addressing suffering is the prime mover for moral secularists. It’s a clear imperative. It was for Jesus as well, who transgressed sacred Jewish boundaries in order to meet people in their pain. People need to see that Methodists are passionate about alleviating harm and not causing more of it. Compassion starts by affirming that judging is incompatible with a Christian lifestyle.

Equality. Perhaps the most insidious suffering people inflict is denying someone their dignity and rights. It is here that secularists have seen the church abdicate leadership. Historically, we’ve often been silent or passive in addressing discrimination based on race, gender, religion, or sexual orientation. Sometimes we’ve let prejudice masquerade in pious attire. A new Methodism leads society forward and doesn’t hold it back. It eliminates “us” and “them” thinking.

Responsibility. Secularists take responsibility for making things better and don’t rely on a higher power. For religious people, that translates into praying with fervor but acting with equal fervor. Don’t ask God to do something for which you’re not willing to work and sacrifice. When we put our time where our mouth is, people will listen. Truth of creed follows dedication in service.


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