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PostPosted: February 14 18, 1:20 pm 
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I don't seriously advocate being a fan of any politician, especially at this high level, but man is she (Gillibrand) saying and doing all the right things to win me over.

Just announced today, along with Cory Booker who I don't care for but have to give some credit to:



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PostPosted: February 14 18, 1:22 pm 
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And because this question will likely come up:

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/stan


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PostPosted: February 14 18, 1:37 pm 
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For whatever this might be worth, she's not polling strong for a presidential run among new yorkers.
https://www.politico.com/states/new-yor ... ent-252275


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PostPosted: February 14 18, 1:45 pm 
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thrill wrote:
For whatever this might be worth, she's not polling strong for a presidential run among new yorkers.
https://www.politico.com/states/new-yor ... ent-252275


Cuomo and DiBlasio I get. Surprising about Gillibrand. Would be curious to know the reasons.

NY is a weird state. They have a caucus of 8 Democrats in the State Senate who partner with the Republicans, effectively letting them control the state. Cuomo has let the NYC subway go to hell, and he and DiBlasio seem to dislike each other and blame each other over it even though Cuomo is in charge of the MTA.


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PostPosted: February 14 18, 2:02 pm 
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At this point I'd stan for a mop head on a balloon.


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PostPosted: February 15 18, 8:13 am 
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She railroaded Al Franken. [expletive] her.


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PostPosted: March 1 18, 6:52 pm 
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She's smart and good at politics. I don't know that she believes in anything beyond following the winds of the moment.


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PostPosted: March 2 18, 10:08 am 
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She's smart and good at politics. I don't know that she believes in anything beyond following the winds of the moment.


All politicians are a mixed bag, but being good at politics is important, as is her ability to see where things are going. I'm not totally convinced she's good at politics in the way she needs to be - we'll see once campaigns start. But as of now she's pro Medicare for all, pro legalizing marijuana, for prison and criminal justice reform, pro gun-control, she's led on sexual harassment issues for years, and she's voted against Trump's appointments more than any other Senator.

I like Bernie, but I think he's too heavy with baggage at this point and also too old.

The Franken thing might be an issue for her, but it really shouldn't be and I think the crowd that's upset about that is probably small.


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PostPosted: March 2 18, 10:27 am 
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Kristin Gillibrand wont mobilize an army of phone bankers, canvassers, young people, and actual voters like Sanders would. No one else will have as much cross-over appeal to republicans and independents. I like Gillibrand and think she'd do well. Harris too. I'd support them, but would probably focus more of my efforts down ballot. But I think giving up on Sanders prematurely--obviously the conversation hinges on if he will run-- is a huge mistake. I get the impulse. But I'm not quite sure I understand the 'baggage' you mean. Sanders polls very favorably across all demographic groups.


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PostPosted: March 2 18, 11:04 am 
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Kristin Gillibrand wont mobilize an army of phone bankers, canvassers, young people, and actual voters like Sanders would. No one else will have as much cross-over appeal to republicans and independents. I like Gillibrand and think she'd do well. Harris too. I'd support them, but would probably focus more of my efforts down ballot. But I think giving up on Sanders prematurely--obviously the conversation hinges on if he will run-- is a huge mistake. I get the impulse. But I'm not quite sure I understand the 'baggage' you mean. Sanders polls very favorably across all demographic groups.


I'm not confident in this, but I suspect Bernie's popularity has to do with being the runner up and being Not Hillary. I don't think he'd be popular among independents and Republicans had he been running as the actual nominee for 4-5 months. I worry there's a centrist contingent that may not turn out strongly if he's the nominee. I admit that could be completely unfounded, and it's hard to believe any Democrat passes up a chance to vote against Trump in 2020.

I see Gillibrand as a bridge between Sanders and Clinton supporters. She comes off as a more traditional politician, but all her current positions sit well left of Hillary and Obama. There's a couple caveats there. One, she may dump those lefty positions if she's elected. Two, enthusiasm may be so high it doesn't matter who's the nominee.

Apart from that, I like her answers better than I do Sanders' on some issues. She comes off better versed on a variety of topics and better able to go off script. His tendency to stick to a few talking points irks me a bit. At the same time, that's good messaging and probably suits him better as a Trump alternative.

I'd like to see him elaborate more on foreign policy and military questions. I'm ready for a truly less interventionist President, I'd just like to hear some details.


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