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PostPosted: August 20 18, 7:22 pm 
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So an honest question...

If someone is in this country illegally, and is wanted for murder in a foreign country, how would you like it handled?

Just let him go about his business? I don’t think we want a foreign country sending agents into our country to make arrests, right? Do nothing? Have our police/fbi/ICE make the arrest?


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PostPosted: August 20 18, 7:47 pm 
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cardsfantx wrote:
So an honest question...

If someone is in this country illegally, and is wanted for murder in a foreign country, how would you like it handled?

Just let him go about his business? I don’t think we want a foreign country sending agents into our country to make arrests, right? Do nothing? Have our police/fbi/ICE make the arrest?



It is not within ICE's purview to hunt down people wanted for murder. It would be fine if the police or FBI arrested someone because that kind of law enforcement is within their purview.


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PostPosted: August 20 18, 7:49 pm 
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Well, his attorney says so, anyway.

I guess we'll see. I doubt if ICE is just arresting random people for the hell of it. I'm not sure what their incentive would be to do that.



Why try to understand sickos that put toddlers in cages for a month without parents, diapers, etc?


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PostPosted: August 20 18, 7:53 pm 
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Socnorb11 wrote:
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Socnorb11 wrote:
Well, his attorney says so, anyway.

I guess we'll see. I doubt if ICE is just arresting random people for the hell of it. I'm not sure what their incentive would be to do that.

Because they can?



For what purpose?

I mean, "because they can" isn't really an incentive.


The hell it isn’t.



I don’t know enough detail on this story to know if it was an overreach. I do know that we want to catch murderers. I also know that we don’t want to give away our rights to the state.


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PostPosted: August 20 18, 7:56 pm 
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The problem is essentially that ICE isn't trustworthy. I don't trust them to conduct a lawful arrest, to have done adequate work in finding out who's dangerous, or to carry out their job in an ethical manner. It's the same issue many local police are having.

I think it's fine if the relevant authorities go after murder suspects. But I don't trust ICE to be that authority. They didn't release information on the murder warrant until after there was an outcry. The Mexican authorities don't seem to have information on the warrant and ICE hasn't explained itself very well at this point. If it's a mistaken identity, they need to figure out how to do better. That assumes they're capable or even concerned about it, which I doubt.

Moreover it's pretty heinous to not to at least escort the pregnant woman to the hospital. Ideally some sort of official should have tagged along to do that. Honestly, the man is only a suspect at this point, so he should have been allowed to go with the ICE escort. My wife and I had a scheduled C-section, and I'm pretty sure she would have been a wreck if I got hauled off on the way to the hospital. Then to have a major operation? This organization is poorly run and staffed by incompetent and in some cases cruel people.

Also, about to post a video in the Cops thread if you don't think police do terrible [expletive] for no reason.


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PostPosted: August 20 18, 7:58 pm 
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All these different police forces are merging into a massive police state. Some right wingers also want to elevate cops and ICE up to the level of reverence we give "troops" (for example). And we all know how un-American it is to not support the troops! They want to make ICE and cops beyond criticism, too. I feel these folks are at least being honest - they want to revere ICE and cops in this way because they are going to end up acting like an occupying army on our own land. We have gotten a glimpse of that at times already.

The "small government" folks ought to be alarmed and screaming from the rooftops. But most of them aren't. It's almost like most of them really didn't give a [expletive] about that, after all. As long as it is mainly brown people impacted by all this, they won't care.


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PostPosted: August 20 18, 8:01 pm 
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ICE only has been around since 2003. We got by for decades with just the US Customs & Immigration Patrol being our main group enforcing immigration laws. ICE is an over-reaction to 9/11 that needs to be undone, along with mass surveillance and some other stuff.


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PostPosted: August 21 18, 9:20 am 
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ICE only has been around since 2003. We got by for decades with just the US Customs & Immigration Patrol being our main group enforcing immigration laws. ICE is an over-reaction to 9/11 that needs to be undone, along with mass surveillance and some other stuff.


ICE also has a bad habit of arresting and locking up US citizens, for months at a time, because of mistaken identity or simply that the person arrested didn't have their passport on them at the time. They then promptly produce proof of citizenship only to remain in detention while the documentation winds its way through the bureaucracy and they can be released.


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PostPosted: September 12 18, 4:53 pm 
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The lying NYT is reporting ICE has 12,800 detained immigrant children despite the very public release of the almost 3,000 that got the public's attention this past summer.

Who knows what this administration is ultimately capable of.

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Population levels at federally contracted shelters for migrant children have quietly shot up more than fivefold since last summer, according to data obtained by The New York Times, reaching a total of 12,800 this month. There were 2,400 such children in custody in May 2017...

Most of the children crossed the border alone, without their parents. Many are teenagers from Central America, and they are housed in a system of more than 100 shelters across the United States, with the highest concentration near the southwest border...

Facilities like the one in Tornillo are also more expensive to operate, according to Representative Rosa DeLauro of Connecticut, the ranking Democrat on the House Appropriations subcommittee that funds the shelter program. She said such facilities cost about $750 per child per day, or three times the amount of a typical shelter.

“You are flying in the face of child welfare, and we’re doing it by design,” Ms. DeLauro said. “You drive up the cost and you prolong the trauma on these children.”


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PostPosted: September 12 18, 8:14 pm 
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Probably related

Government to expand, extend Texas tent shelter for children
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The U.S. government will expand its tent shelter for immigrant minors crossing the southwest border to 3,800 beds and keep it open through the end of this year, an agency spokesman said Tuesday.

The facility at Tornillo, Texas, which originally opened with a 360-bed capacity for 30 days, is being expanded based on how many children are in the care of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, agency spokesman Kenneth Wolfe said in a statement.


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