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PostPosted: November 7 19, 5:05 pm 
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Yet we are taught to worship a gigantic costly government bureaucracy - the US military. Which is fine, but hardly anybody [expletive] about big guvmint want to reduce military. (Though Erik Prince etc to control it)


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Yet we are taught to worship a gigantic costly government bureaucracy - the US military. Which is fine, but hardly anybody [expletive] about big guvmint want to reduce military. (Though Erik Prince etc to control it)

I actually have a good friend who I have reluctantly converted to a M4A fan (mostly because he has a lot of healthcare costs that he currently has to cover through an ACA marketplace personal plan). I challenged him to think why he's reluctant with his support and he trotted out all the old saws about federal inefficiency, blah blah blah.

BUT, he's the most brilliant military history mind I've ever known. He is truly insightful about human conflict throughout history and all the good and bad of the american military industrial complex, so I asked him to replace "healthcare" in all his reluctant criticism of m4a with "the military" and it was an eye opener for him.


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Veterans would be a good group to get on board with M4A to gain acceptance. The big argument is that people don't want their healthcare to be like the DMV - long lines, depressing, yadda yadda. However the VA is already a pretty large government-ran healthcare system. While it has it's warts, veterans generally like VA health care.


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PostPosted: November 8 19, 11:47 am 
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Veterans would be a good group to get on board with M4A to gain acceptance. The big argument is that people don't want their healthcare to be like the DMV - long lines, depressing, yadda yadda. However the VA is already a pretty large government-ran healthcare system. While it has it's warts, veterans generally like VA health care.


You mean it is not like that already?


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PostPosted: November 8 19, 12:24 pm 
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The last time I went to my DMV a few months ago they had that thing whipped into shape! It had such a different feel to it than in prior years. They moved into a different building and had a totally different system in place. It was very busy (as always) but I was pleasantly surprised by how quick they kept things moving. So it can be done.

There is so much waste in the health insurance industry. My wife has had health problems lately. Every time she visits a doctor or a hospital, we get 3 to 20 pages in "explanations of benefits". If I took all the of the explanation of benefits and just kept stacking them up throughout the year, it would look like that 2 foot tall stack of papers Trump claimed was his taxes. Who the hell has time to read every explanation of benefits? It's so overwhelming that I just throw them all in the trash. I only act if I get a bill that looks wrong. Such as the bill the hospital sent us for $28,000 recently that nearly gave me a heart attack. They also started calling us and telling us they were going to send it to a bill collector, and we had literally just gotten it 2 days before. Kinda short notice for that. Not sure why they sent us the bill before it went through insurance. Felt like a scam, but maybe it was just failed bureaucracy. We hit our deductible ages ago so it should have only cost us a fraction of that. In the end it got straightened out so that insurance did pay for most of it but it was not a fun experience.


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While we're talking about bureaucracy and inefficiency, this infuriating news hit today:

I-74 bridge workers: Contractor Lunda purposely delaying bridge
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Lunda is using ironworkers from Quad-City-based Local 111 and from Joliet-based Local 444.

Some ironworkers spoke on the condition of anonymity. Several who previously spoke with the Quad-City Times about their pride in taking part in the historic build of the new bridge were disciplined by Lunda for doing so, they said.

Several of the ironworkers reported being pulled off ironwork on the bridge without explanation. They instead were assigned "busy work," such as fabricating dozens of frames that later were scrapped.

An engineer for a competing bridge-construction company, also speaking anonymously, said many in engineering and bridge-building circles have been questioning the delays on the I-74. Specifically, the engineer said, arch construction has taken way too long, especially given the cooperative weather during the summer construction season.

He introduced the notion that Lunda was claiming the bridge design was "not constructible," which the DOT and Lunda later confirmed. The bridge was designed by Pennsylvania-based bridge-design firm Modjeski and Masters. The firm's founder designed the Government Bridge at the Rock Island Arsenal and the original spans of the I-74.

The slow-moving progress that has marked the summer season has prevented Lunda from taking receipt of some of the additional money allocated by the DOT for catch-up work.

Of about $16 million outlined in a March contract modification, Alvarez said, only $3.9 million has been paid. The funding was earmarked for nighttime make-up work to expedite westbound-bridge construction.

By the end of May, she said, "it was apparent that second-shift work was not geared toward the completion of the westbound bridge. We discontinued any further payments for second-shift work for this reason."

A former supervisor for Lunda said he recently separated from the company, partly because he refused to supply the DOT with dishonest answers for delays. He said he felt like he was doing "a top-secret job."

The former employee, competing engineer and two ironworkers each categorized the bridge delays as attempts by Lunda to "hold hostage" the I-74 build until the DOT agreed to pay more money.


This is a $1.2 billion project and this private contractor got a $322 million contract. And they are dragging their feet to try to get us to cough up more money. This is the main thoroughfare in our community. It's the highest traffic spot in the state of Iowa (75,000 cars/day or more). And it's a mess while they are doing this work, and has caused all kinds of headaches for commuters...and it's going to be a headache for an extra year now because of these [expletive]. Who's fault is it? Is it the government's fault for awarding the contract to these jerks? Is it the contractor's fault for being jerks? Could the government just hired their own people to run this project and been better off, rather than forking over $322 million to a private contractor? I don't know but it's ridiculous.

Oh and don't believe this nonsense about the bridge being "not constructible". It's going to be a "basket handle" arch type bridge. There are already other bridges out there very similar to it. That's why they picked the design. I was disappointed because I wanted something more unique. But they went with what was supposed to be a more practical choice, and it still doesn't matter to these morons.


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