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PostPosted: January 25 19, 1:21 pm 
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Here's an observation I had, inspired by the following paragraph:

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The partial federal shutdown, now in its 34th day, has left about 800,000 workers with their incomes cut off until the impasse is resolved. Most Americans can’t cover an emergency expense of $1,000 from savings, according to a January Bankrate survey.


So if those affected, and others, decide that saving money has an increased importance, that would create a drag on the economy, because they wouldn't be spending as much as they normally would. And that would ultimately be a good thing for quite a number of individuals/families.

But Trump loves to tout economic numbers, and if it creates a drag on the economy, then he's just hindered one of his favorite talking points.

Am I on to something here?


For sure.

Another thing, too, is that government jobs are supposed to be the definition of middle class jobs. House, car in the driveway, college savings for the kids, roast in the oven, Florida vacation in the winter, bourgeois American middle class. That those jobs leave people who need to spend $1K in a pinch unable to make that payment is a huge part of what's wrong with America and that should be one of the big lessons in this whole stupid mess created by this dumb racist POTUS and the spineless tortoise in the Senate.


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The thing is that Trump could have gotten Congressional Democrats to agree to way more than $5.7 billion for a wall. The offer had already been made to do exactly that in exchange for passage of the DREAM act. That deal was scuttled by Stephen Miller and co, so the follow up plan is that Trump will intentionally create a crisis and then promise to end it if he gets some money. That is in other contexts referrered to as a protection racket, and there’s no way you can ever agree to such a thing for obvious reasons.

It’s true that Trump is incredibly bad at deals and succeeded in making any walls something closer to a toxic red line at this point, so a real compromise is probably more difficult now even if Trump was able to offer one (which he is still unable to do).


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PostPosted: January 25 19, 1:24 pm 
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You know maybe I'm misremembering but yesterday it seemed like Trump and the R's were really dug in on this and nothing was happening. Then Roger Stone gets arrested and all the sudden their is movement. What a nice distraction.

Granted it was probably mostly the airport issues, but this is good timing.


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PostPosted: January 25 19, 1:26 pm 
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33anda3rd wrote:
mikechamp wrote:
Here's an observation I had, inspired by the following paragraph:

USA Today wrote:
The partial federal shutdown, now in its 34th day, has left about 800,000 workers with their incomes cut off until the impasse is resolved. Most Americans can’t cover an emergency expense of $1,000 from savings, according to a January Bankrate survey.


So if those affected, and others, decide that saving money has an increased importance, that would create a drag on the economy, because they wouldn't be spending as much as they normally would. And that would ultimately be a good thing for quite a number of individuals/families.

But Trump loves to tout economic numbers, and if it creates a drag on the economy, then he's just hindered one of his favorite talking points.

Am I on to something here?


For sure.

Another thing, too, is that government jobs are supposed to be the definition of middle class jobs. House, car in the driveway, college savings for the kids, roast in the oven, Florida vacation in the winter, bourgeois American middle class. That those jobs leave people who need to spend $1K in a pinch unable to make that payment is a huge part of what's wrong with America and that should be one of the big lessons in this whole stupid mess created by this dumb racist POTUS and the spineless tortoise in the Senate.


Let's not forget federal worker wages were frozen to help pay for a tax cut that primarily benefits the wealthy.

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In a letter to House and Senate leaders in August, Trump described the pay increase as "inappropriate."

"We must maintain efforts to put our Nation on a fiscally sustainable course, and Federal agency budgets cannot sustain such increases," the President wrote.



But just remember... 5.7b is a drop in the bucket. Trump doesn't give a damn about these people.


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PostPosted: January 25 19, 1:36 pm 
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So withholding paychecks from people to try to make Democrats cave is one strategy that ended up not working. All that had to happen was some workers at major airports withholding their labor and Republicans and Trump pretty much immediately caved. There is a lesson there, folks.


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ATC labor power forcing the President’s hand really is perfect symbolism.


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Sadly, I'm genuinely looking forward to hearing how Trump claims this a victory. I guess it's possible he just skips claiming a staggering defeat a victory for once and just goes straight to rape and beheading fearmongering.


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BottenFieldofDreams wrote:
Sadly, I'm genuinely looking forward to hearing how Trump claims this a victory. I guess it's possible he just skips claiming a staggering defeat a victory for once and just goes straight to rape and beheading fearmongering.

He went with tied up women and children with duct tape around their heads. No joke.


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The deal is for 3 weeks of funding.

That inspires confidence.


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