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Impeachment - yay or nay?
Yay! 89%  89%  [ 25 ]
Nay! Won't get past the Senate 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Nay! Will energize his base and potentially sway independents 7%  7%  [ 2 ]
Nay! Let the SDNY and other entities with more latitude make their criminal case 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Nay! On what grounds? 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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PostPosted: June 3 19, 6:29 am 
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I say leave it be. We're more than half way through this cavern of hell presidential term. I wouldn't take the chance unless I was certain it would succeed.


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PostPosted: June 3 19, 7:34 am 
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The only reason I'm really in favor of it is because we need to follow the constitution of this country. Trump has committed impeachable offenses. Congress needs to do their role.

Yes, the senate will likely acquit. However I'm in favor of putting all the GOP senators on TV voting to keep a president who has clearly committed high crimes. It may not affect Trump's approval ratings (surely the whole spectacle won't make him look better), but it will likely negatively affect senators approval ratings among blue dog democrats and independents. Make guys like Lindsey Graham continue to go out there and fight for Trump while looking like a hypocrite for his actions in Clinton's impeachment, while trying to hold his seat in 2020 in a state that is shifting politically.


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PostPosted: June 3 19, 8:49 am 
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33anda3rd wrote:
I think once they start the hearing and all the awfulness of Trump is on TV every day for months, the public will be fully on board, and possibly the Senate too, who won't have much option given rising public desire to see him impeached.

Good Lord, Trump's awfulness has been on full display on the cable networks and social media non-stop for three [expletive] years, and his approval rating has barely budged. Give it up.

There is a major difference in a public accounting of it all, vs the drib drab of revelations in the media over time. (More like a daily onslaught)
The media revelations have had a manner of normalizing it all.

GOP dismisses it all as media bias. Their sheep lap this up. Granted, a democrat doom to fail impeachment process will be dismissed as well. But it could get a full accounting of this shameful period, for in the future, should we ever get to a point where we care about laws, constitution, etc again.


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PostPosted: June 3 19, 10:25 am 
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greenback44 wrote:
33anda3rd wrote:
I think once they start the hearing and all the awfulness of Trump is on TV every day for months, the public will be fully on board, and possibly the Senate too, who won't have much option given rising public desire to see him impeached.

Good Lord, Trump's awfulness has been on full display on the cable networks and social media non-stop for three [expletive] years, and his approval rating has barely budged. Give it up.


Nixon was a popular enough president who hovered between 50-60% approval rating. June 1972 Woodward reports the break-in and Nixon's approval rating climbs, and closes 1973 at its highest point. Six months later after impeachment hearings begin, however, that popular president had gone from close to 65% approval to under 30%.

November 1986 Reagan is cruising along over 60%. A plane gets shot down in Nicaragua. The Iran Contra hearings get going in 1987, one congressman introduces articles of impeachment that don't go anywhere, and Reagans's no longer over 60%, he's down in the low-to-mid 40s.

Clinton peaked after impeachment, but Clinton was over a BJ not running arms or cheating in an election then obstructing justice.

Take someone like W, take out the outlier of him going to war shown with the bump here:

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Without the bump he's just mostly flat for 3 years, then flat for two more, then on a steady decline for the last 3. If you took the end of 2003 through the end of 2005 though, roughly the sample size we have for Trump now, we'd say "well he just hovers right there, it must be his ceiling and his floor" but stuff happens--war, recession--and the floor is not always the floor and the ceiling is not always the ceiling which we see from the shoulder times around that period.

This guy is going to go through a campaign where 23 different Dem candidates are talking him down, and the daily news cycle has something to do with his criminality and his potential removal from office. Let's see him weather that for six months before we declare that he can't hit a new floor of approval.


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