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PostPosted: August 15 19, 8:51 am 
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My brain just keeps going back to Jamal Khashoggi and Alexander Litvinenko. These two guys were killed by very powerful people in a way so that we all know who did it and it sent a message to everyone else to not [expletive] with them. I'm not saying this is what happened with Epstein but I don't think it's that far fetched at all. It might even involve some of the same people as those other incidents.

Doesn't Epstein's death obfuscate who did it, which would be counter to those two?

I don't think it's impossible he was offed, I just don't think the risk/reward is worth it. If there's the evidence rumored to be out there (photographs), his testimony does little. If there's no photographs or videos, how does his testimony hurt anyone more than the victims and their corroborating witnesses? If the conspiracy was ever discovered (like the Khashoggi one or numerous others) it'd be worse. Why not keep Epstein around to protect people - like Manafort.

Occam's Razor seems to apply here, no? Dude knew he was dead rights and decided to end it or an international cabal set up an intricate plan to infiltrate a prison, pay off multiple people to get someone in position (hoping the money could never be traced) to kill a guy the whole world figured powerful people were trying to kill.


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PostPosted: August 15 19, 10:47 am 
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I feel like if investigations were just applying Occam’s Razor, that would be bad.


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pioneer98 wrote:
My brain just keeps going back to Jamal Khashoggi and Alexander Litvinenko. These two guys were killed by very powerful people in a way so that we all know who did it and it sent a message to everyone else to not [expletive] with them. I'm not saying this is what happened with Epstein but I don't think it's that far fetched at all. It might even involve some of the same people as those other incidents.

Doesn't Epstein's death obfuscate who did it, which would be counter to those two?

I don't think it's impossible he was offed, I just don't think the risk/reward is worth it. If there's the evidence rumored to be out there (photographs), his testimony does little. If there's no photographs or videos, how does his testimony hurt anyone more than the victims and their corroborating witnesses? If the conspiracy was ever discovered (like the Khashoggi one or numerous others) it'd be worse. Why not keep Epstein around to protect people - like Manafort.

Occam's Razor seems to apply here, no? Dude knew he was dead rights and decided to end it or an international cabal set up an intricate plan to infiltrate a prison, pay off multiple people to get someone in position (hoping the money could never be traced) to kill a guy the whole world figured powerful people were trying to kill.



IF he were murdered, the message is not being sent to you and me. The message is for all the girls and women out there that they raped. His murder would be a threat to them.


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PostPosted: August 15 19, 11:40 am 
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I feel like if investigations were just applying Occam’s Razor, that would be bad.

Message board speculation isn't an investigation. There should absolutely be an in-depth, comprehensive, fact-based investigation in to the situation.

I'm applying it to those saying he probably/definitely was murdered AND it was orchestrated by someone who wanted to keep him quiet. It could have been a guard who hates pedophiles, it could have been a guard who hates watching rich white guys get acquitted, it could have been a fellow inmate who wanted notoriety, suicide. There's so many options, I tend towards the one with fewest assumptions.


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PostPosted: August 15 19, 12:06 pm 
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/15/us/jeffrey-epstein-autopsy-broken-neck/index.html


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PostPosted: August 15 19, 12:11 pm 
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-kept-painting-bill-155922555.html

This is one [expletive] weird case....


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That's a frustrating read. The journalist worked hard enough to track down Epstein's version of Kato Kaelin, and then Nestel asked Igor a bunch of questions about... a four year old interview. And he asked questions about the circumstances of Epstein's (apparent) death, which this schmuck isn't going to know anything about. Nestel pretty much doomed this interview to caginess, which maybe was his point, since that's a good way to get Deadspin's attention.

Kind of tough to interview the guy who was obviously skittish from the very beginning and who hadn't been talking to anyone except possibly the FBI or whatever authorities. Perhaps maybe he shouldn't have even published it because, sure, it doesn't really offer any real information.

But, it's - perhaps as expected - a really odd interview. Igor's obviously scared. Rather that's because he's scared about being killed, scared about implicating himself, worried about his own public perception, or scared for Nestel's well-being, it's not entirely clear. Even through a non-native language, the dudes paranoia is plain as day, no?

Those weren't leading questions, and given the circumstances, it's pretty unfair to expect a Barbara Walters-esque type interview here.

Those questions about the prior interview were pretty clearly leading to what Igor knew about Epstein's crimes. Those questions sounded a lot like the questions a prosecutor would ask him, or maybe already asked him. Igor almost certainly committed some crimes while working for Epstein, and I'd imagine he'd like to stay out of prison, and it appears he realized midway through the interview that discussing his role in Epstein's adventures was opening himself to legal jeopardy. I mean, if Igor had been paying attention (which he probably isn't), he might have noticed that Epstein was thrown into jail ultimately because a reporter at a good-but-not-great newspaper down in Miami did some digging. These kinds of interviews are effectively scouting missions for law enforcement.


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PostPosted: August 19 19, 10:57 am 
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So I saw my sister-in-law and her boyfriend on Friday. Both are in the their late 30's like me. Both are gainfully employed in white collar jobs in the city. Neither had even heard of Jeffrey Epstein and had no idea whatsoever who he was or about any of the news surrounding this.

Crazy to me when you encounter people who straight up pay no attention to the news at all.


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PostPosted: August 19 19, 11:07 am 
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So I saw my sister-in-law and her boyfriend on Friday. Both are in the their late 30's like me. Both are gainfully employed in white collar jobs in the city. Neither had even heard of Jeffrey Epstein and had no idea whatsoever who he was or about any of the news surrounding this.

Crazy to me when you encounter people who straight up pay no attention to the news at all.

Lucky them. In a way.

Then you have most people (my in-laws) first hearing about it now since it hit critical news mass. They skipping past the part about his prior plea deal with Acosta and Alan Desrshowitz.


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PostPosted: August 19 19, 11:39 am 
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G. Keenan wrote:
So I saw my sister-in-law and her boyfriend on Friday. Both are in the their late 30's like me. Both are gainfully employed in white collar jobs in the city. Neither had even heard of Jeffrey Epstein and had no idea whatsoever who he was or about any of the news surrounding this.

Crazy to me when you encounter people who straight up pay no attention to the news at all.

Coworker’s girlfriend, same.


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