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PostPosted: April 13 12, 11:24 am 
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Show me where I argue that Zim is innocent. And show me where I clearly state he isn't a racist.
Show me where I called Zimmerman racist? So why keep bringing up Sharpton/Jackson/Spike? I don't see anyone here using that as a strike against the shooter.
I did not accuse you of that. If you think I was referring to you, try again.
I see we are going in circles here. See, I never felt accused of that. I also never accused Zimmerman of being a racist. I also never accused you of arguing Zimmerman is innocent. I also never said you stated he wasn't a racist.

However, you are the one that keeps bringing up race/Sharpton/Jesse/Spike, not I. I'm not entirely certain why, other than to point the 24 hour news cycle is stupid? One only need to be born last week as opposed to yesterday or see 1 Daily Show episode to understand this. Much less the two this week that focus on how the news channel's are race baiting and the one how CNN is stupid.

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PostPosted: April 13 12, 12:11 pm 
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PostPosted: April 13 12, 12:18 pm 
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Hungary Jack wrote:
Who's on first?

Who?
That's the guy's name?
Who?
The guy on first.
What's the guy's name on first?
Racist.

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PostPosted: April 13 12, 12:37 pm 
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I agree with all of that. I think I made it clear (probably didn't) that I think he's at best guilty of manslaughter - but not innocent. Upon further investigation it appears that the jury can call him guilty of manslaughter even if the prosecutor is going for murder 2. Whoever instigated the attack, however it was done, I think that bringing a gun into a confrontation that should not have been escalated amounts to manslaughter. Murder 2 is going to be tough to convict on, but hopefully the jury can see past that and convict on manslaughter. Like I said, though, if the charges were manslaughter, I think you get a plea deal and this quiets down.

As for the racist comments ala Longhorn's video, the prosecutor herself states that the tapes say "f***ing punks," not the racial epithet that is being suggested. To call Zimmerman racist, or to suggest that race played a role in his decision to confront Trayvon, is based on one fuzzy audio recording that is probably NOT a racial comment.

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PostPosted: April 13 12, 12:51 pm 
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Murder 2 is going to be tough to convict on, but hopefully the jury can see past that and convict on manslaughter. Like I said, though, if the charges were manslaughter, I think you get a plea deal and this quiets down.
I think it'll plea it either way, unless there's some very convincing evidence from the defense we haven't seen. Which could be the case. Now, if there is an eyewitness or such that claims Zimmerman not only confronted Martin face to face but initiated physical contact, I think you can make a case for murder. Whether or not that is the case is for the jury, but the prosecution I think has a duty to put the option on the table for the jury.
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To call Zimmerman racist, or to suggest that race played a role in his decision to confront Trayvon, is based on one fuzzy audio recording that is probably NOT a racial comment.
To call him a racist is simple minded and flippant. To suggest race played no role in his decision to confront Trayvon is naive.

Edit - Credit to Zeus. It would appear I'm wrong and Zimmerman will walk under SYG.
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I wouldn't call it a stupid law, but it is a confusing law. It's true that the person who might have started out as the person being assaulted also has a right to use self-defense, and then at the point where perhaps he's winning - in other words, where he takes physical control and starts to cause injury to the other person - then the other person can then claim, you know, I never expected it to get to this point. Now I need to use deadly force in order to protect myself.


Though he seems to contradict himself later.
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Well, under Florida law, like most law, if you are the first aggressor in a confrontation, you forfeit the right to self-defense. So if Zimmerman, if a court or a jury determines that George Zimmerman somehow attacked Trayvon Martin, maybe by grabbing him or some other means, then Zimmerman can't claim the right to stand his ground because he's forfeited his right to defend himself because of his initial aggression.

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PostPosted: April 14 12, 7:43 am 
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To suggest race played no role in his decision to confront Trayvon is naive.


Yup. That kid doesn't get shot if he's white. And for that matter I don't think Zimmerman is sent home hours after shooting someone if the kid he shot was white.

As for the Stand Your Ground law--man, Florida is a crappy state. That really does sound like a license to kill. Presumably the prosecutor believes that it doesn't apply to Zimmerman, which seems like a reasonable conclusion if one doesn't believe Zimmerman's implausible story that Martin came back after him. But seriously, Florida is terrible.

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PostPosted: May 11 12, 12:46 pm 
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Seller of Trayvon Martin Gun Range Targets Says They Sold Out in Two Days

"The seller is reportedly a supporter of Zimmerman who believes "he is innocent and that he shot a thug.""

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PostPosted: May 11 12, 12:50 pm 
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What the hell is going on in this country?

See - this is where decency is needed.

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Hopefully this white Mexican guy or whatever color he is gets what's coming to him.

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