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PostPosted: April 10 12, 12:40 pm 
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-baseb ... 09373.html

The MLB average payroll as a percentage of revenue is less than both the NFL and NBA.

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PostPosted: April 10 12, 12:54 pm 
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Faulty Logic. It assumes that baseball players' performance is directly driving the increase in revenue. A lot of it is new business schemes that are expanding the brand and the sport. If a salesman for Miami goes out and strikes a deal with a food company to create Miami Marlin's Fishsticks, generating $1 million in profit, does Jose Reyes really deserve 40% of this new deal?

Let me break it down simpler:
There are two people in MLB, those that actually run onto a field of grass and hit [expletive] with sticks, and those that work to keep hitting [expletive] with sticks popular. Who is worth more? The guy who can hit [expletive] with a stick, or the guy who can convince people to drop thousands of dollars on seeing people hit a damn ball with a piece of wood?

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Considering that the players are overwhelmingly responsible for driving the value of the Miami Marlins brand, yes, eventually Jose Reyes is going to get his share of that fishsticks money.

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Considering that the players are overwhelmingly responsible for driving the value of the Miami Marlins brand, yes, eventually Jose Reyes is going to get his share of that fishsticks money.


I must have missed where Hanley Ramirez negotiated, designed, and built the new Marlin's Stadium.

Because people were really showing up in droves before.

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Without fielding a team at the highest level of competition, that stadium does not get built ever.

The Marlins have a product, which is the team. The stadium, the radio and TV deals, merchandising, they're all just ways to monetize their one product.

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AdmiralKird wrote:
Faulty Logic. It assumes that baseball players' performance is directly driving the increase in revenue. A lot of it is new business schemes that are expanding the brand and the sport. If a salesman for Miami goes out and strikes a deal with a food company to create Miami Marlin's Fishsticks, generating $1 million in profit, does Jose Reyes really deserve 40% of this new deal?



Yes? Without the players the Miami Marlins are nothing but an ugly CF statue. And God knows it's a lot easier to find and hire some marketer than it is to acquire an All-Star shortstop.

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Without fielding a team at the highest level of competition, that stadium does not get built ever.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNC_Park

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Tampa Bay Rays: awesome team with a great manager and some incredible athletes... very little revenue
Chicago Cubs: [expletive] team with a manager whose name I can't pronounce and they have Soriano... yet they have huge revenue

Those situations are mostly affected by market size, but the fact is the Cubs are a much better selling product than the Rays.

There's a [expletive] ton more that goes behind how much money a team makes than the product on the field. AK's point is valid.

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Lobbying for PNC started during the Pirates' run of playoff appearances in the Barry Bonds era and the park was okayed just a few years after it concluded. Regardless, the point is that the Pirates, for all of their faults over the last few seasons, are one of the best teams on the planet and capable of playing at the sport's highest level.

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MLB is probably closer to the financial norm for a professional sports league where the owners and player have to negotiate how to split the pie. The NFL just negotiated the player share downward, and the NBA seems to be heading in that direction.

I would posit that MLB average salaries are more flexible given a larger free agent pool and more players whose careers extend into FA years (most NFL players don't play long enough to get their first big FA deal). Thus the price of talent in MLB is more market driven than the price of NFL talent, which is driven by salary schedules and restricted FA. Thus the economic situation of the past few years appears to have taken a toll on MLB salaries (not collusion).

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