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This is some cynical usage of the military.



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This is some cynical usage of the military.




Farmers are troops now! Instead of using federal money to buy their crops, we should just say they were injured in the Trade War of 2019 and give them all Purple Hearts.


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Pioneer...we're ALL troops now! God bless us.


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This statement may be more revealing than at first glance. Another way of saying this same thing is: “Yeah tariffs will make things suck even worse, but just be glad we didn’t stick you in a war zone where you’d be murdered.” It’s a threat. They are indirectly threatening to turn the USA into a war zone. It may be a necessary step to make America great again.


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pioneer98 wrote:
This statement may be more revealing than at first glance. Another way of saying this same thing is: “Yeah tariffs will make things suck even worse, but just be glad we didn’t stick you in a war zone where you’d be murdered.” It’s a threat. They are indirectly threatening to turn the USA into a war zone. It may be a necessary step to make America great again.

Ain't no "may be" about. The current GOP is all about making America pure again.


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Pulitzer winner Art Cullen of the Storm Lake Tribune on Trump's trade war. I spoilered it because I pasted the whole thing. Read the whole thing, it's good as hell.

Trump's Folly

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President Trump is worsening an economic disaster by ratcheting up a trade war with China. On Friday the US announced new tariffs on a wide range of Chinese imports, to which China retaliated on Monday by hiking tariffs on soy, pork and poultry. Soybean futures markets plunged again, after having set a 10-year low late last week. Soy prices on May 10 were about $2.50 per bushel below where they were when Trump won in November 2016. China is our biggest soy customer.

Trump slapped on new tariffs when negotiations on a new trade deal fell apart. The Administration claimed that the Chinese had moved the goal posts. China always moves the goal posts with the outside world. The question is how you react to it: by more gentle prodding and finding new areas of cooperation, or an all-out trade war that puts Iowa farmers in the crosshairs. We do not recall any successes throughout history of trying to force the Chinese to open up. They have been at this trade game longer than us.

It takes patience to trade. As you trade, perhaps China gets a little better on human rights.

Trump threw a tantrum that will take years to recover from.

And it won’t help free Chinese political prisoners or protect Silicon Valley trade secrets one bit.

Future markets suggest that investors do not expect a trade deal soon. Put that on top of flooding, and chronically low prices before the trade war, and we find a new farm crisis in the offing. The USDA gave farmers a Trump Bump check of $1.65 per bushel of soy for the first trade war fiasco, and plans to pony up another $15 billion to help ease the pain. But the disaster payment doesn’t add up to the $2.50 per bushel the farmer loses every year because of this trade war.

Rural voters feel burned by Trump even as they express patriotic patience. They can’t outwardly admit that they were hoodwinked. But they know why markets are tanking. They know that Brazil has since become a preferred soy provider, after the Iowa and national soybean groups have worked for 50 years trying to groom Asian markets. That business just doesn’t pop back overnight.

In fact, the Chinese now are threatening to boycott American farm products altogether (as best they can). In turn, Trump said that Americans should boycott companies that make their products in partnership with the Chinese. Take that, John Deere and Caterpillar. That sort of talk can’t go over well in Waterloo, Dubuque, Davenport and Des Moines. Or in Storm Lake or Spencer, where old loyalty may be wearing thin.

Trump must win Iowa, Ohio and Wisconsin to carry the general election. He has crippled farming and manufacturing, the backbones of each state’s economy. He claims he is helping farmers win markets. Only true zealots can bank on that.

THE TRADE WAR also should also force us to consider agriculture’s heavy reliance on export markets on which government policy is based. President Nixon’s secretary of agriculture, Earl Butz, urged us to plant fencerow to fencerow to feed the world. Now we borrow money from the Chinese to plant soybeans that we can’t sell to them directly. Rural communities have shriveled up. Surface and groundwater is polluted. Half of Iowa’s babies are born onto the Medicaid rolls, and poverty is worst in the most rural places.

We have sold Iowa to the bottom with our religious devotion to growing more corn and more soybeans damn the cost. If nobody wants them we’ll cut you a spot disaster or crop insurance check, maybe, and hope it might fool you into taking out a loan and planting for the man again next year.

We are growing too much corn and soy and wheat on a depleted soil base that is being whipped by climate change. We make ourselves vulnerable to imbeciles like Trump by putting ourselves at his mercy. Iowa can build a sustainable agriculture that does not need Chinese soy purchases — let the Chinese grow their own, and let that exchange of technology and production be part of our trade with the world’s largest national market. Our goal should be to sustain a diverse network of American food producers who are resilient against climate change, who protect our long-term national security, and who improve our crop productivity through conservation. We are doing just the opposite.


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So now we're putting tariffs on ALL imports from Mexico starting at 5% and increasing to 25% in October.

Jesus H when is this dumb ass idiocy going to end? Sorry farmers, you're just gonna keep losing your largest export markets while this guy is in office. Hope you can get 'em back in 2 or 6 years! Tired of winning yet?


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So now we're putting tariffs on ALL imports from Mexico starting at 5% and increasing to 25% in October.

Jesus H when is this dumb ass idiocy going to end? Sorry farmers, you're just gonna keep losing your largest export markets while this guy is in office. Hope you can get 'em back in 2 or 6 years! Tired of winning yet?

Not to mention this is direct taxation on American consumers NOT the mexicans. What a fooking idiot.


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Joe Shlabotnik wrote:
G. Keenan wrote:
So now we're putting tariffs on ALL imports from Mexico starting at 5% and increasing to 25% in October.

Jesus H when is this dumb ass idiocy going to end? Sorry farmers, you're just gonna keep losing your largest export markets while this guy is in office. Hope you can get 'em back in 2 or 6 years! Tired of winning yet?

Not to mention this is direct taxation on American consumers NOT the mexicans. What a fooking idiot.


It seems the he genuinely does not understand how tariffs work. Like, I don't think he's purposefully lying when he repeatedly states that China is paying the tariffs or that Mexico will pay the tariffs. He really seems to believe that and simply not understand, or care to understand, that US consumers and businesses pay them.


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G. Keenan wrote:
Joe Shlabotnik wrote:
G. Keenan wrote:
So now we're putting tariffs on ALL imports from Mexico starting at 5% and increasing to 25% in October.

Jesus H when is this dumb ass idiocy going to end? Sorry farmers, you're just gonna keep losing your largest export markets while this guy is in office. Hope you can get 'em back in 2 or 6 years! Tired of winning yet?

Not to mention this is direct taxation on American consumers NOT the mexicans. What a fooking idiot.


It seems the he genuinely does not understand how tariffs work. Like, I don't think he's purposefully lying when he repeatedly states that China is paying the tariffs or that Mexico will pay the tariffs. He really seems to believe that and simply not understand, or care to understand, that US consumers and businesses pay them.


[expletive], his entire campaign platform was getting other countries to "pay for their own stuff" and it hasn't worked out that way yet. But the Trumpers, even if they understand what a tariff is, seem to eat it up.

As for the rest of us? I'm kickstarting the new Snapmaker 2.0 right now. It's $1150 including shipping and will be built in China. I can't wait to pay US Customs almost $300 on top of that just to allow it into the country later this year when it ships. The real kick in the pants is that the initial 10% tariff wasn't even announced when I pledged for the Kickstarter - I still have 5 days left before the project ends, so I may back out to avoid this whole tariff debacle... But if I do, full MSRP is almost 2x what the price is on Kickstarter, so even with the stupid tariffs I'm still saving $400 or $500.


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