2016 Election Thread (My God Kill Me Now)

[Fat Strat]

I like political articles posted on facebook from websites I've never heard of.

Me too! I try to email them to all my friends and contacts and family members. Everyone needs to know this stuff and I can't believe the national news hasn't picked it up yet!

[Schlich]

Fiorina wins the JV debate for getting the sweetest dig in on Clinton.

edit: I hope everyone knows i was being sarcastic

[cardsfansince82]

I've seen three different people wearing this shirt in the past week.

spoilered for size and language

[SHOW]

[ghostrunner]

Well, this is shameless.

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/28/bla ... hite-guys/

New FEC filings show that all of the $417,250 in monetary donations to a Super PAC called “Black Americans for a Better Future” comes from conservative white businessmen — including $400,000, or 96 percent of the total, from white billionaire hedge fund manager Robert Mercer.

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BABF appears to exist solely as a vehicle for Washington, D.C., consultant Raynard Jackson, who is African-American. Jackson is quoted on his firm’s website stating that “You have a fundamental right to pursue business interests with the least amount of interference from the government.” Jackson has elsewhere accused Barack Obama of “relentless pandering to homosexuals.”

At an event in November 2015 at the National Press Club, which cost BABF $13,252.79 for the venue and catering, Jackson said that “Having well-trained, credible, experienced African-Americans constantly challenging the liberal orthodoxy in the media will create a tectonic shift in the perception of the Republican Party within the Black community.”

[Myles]

I like political articles posted on facebook from websites I've never heard of.

I always feel I need to check them on Snopes because at least half seem to be false.

[Radbird]

Charlie Pierce is the only political commentary (outside of this illustrious thread, of course) that's worth following: http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/

Just read his piece on Rand Paul. Good stuff. Thanks for the tip.

[pioneer98]

I don't know if we can keep sending up centrist candidates and ever expect to get anywhere. All Republicans do is keep sending up candidates who are further and further to the right. And it's working.

It is not working at the Presidential level. It is working at the Congressional level where the GOP-dominated legislatures have drawn districts to guarantee a majority of safe GOP seats. It half works in the Senate - senators have to win statewide election.

This is why it is important for those getting behind Sanders to work locally. Very important.

This is true. Having a guy like Bernie out there leading the way is important though because it at least starts the conversation, gets people thinking about these ideas. This is why he's a perfect protest vote right now, even if he's not a great candidate.

The conundrum I have is: are we being told to wait on Bernie's ideas because it's too big of a leap and people aren't ready for it? Or are we being told to wait on Bernie's ideas because the Democratic establishment doesn't like his ideas and hope they never have to implement them? I honestly don't know. Maybe a mixture of both?

Don't wait - start now with the others that are excited and organize for the long haul. don't get depressed and go hide when Hillary is the nominee. Make sure she is elected over whatever clown the GOP put up.

I won't be any more depressed if Hillary is the nominee. Bernie has his issues and may not win. The appeal of Bernie to me right now is we've never had a candidate like him before, and it's a protest vote. In 2008 we had Biden, Obama, Hillary, Edwards, Richardson, etc. By contrast with Bernie all of them are basically the same candidate.

[pioneer98]

Playing devil's advocate to some extent here....

Republicans are going to call whoever the candidate is a radical, left wing liberal socialist who hates America. It's what they do. It doesn't matter if the candidate is actually a moderate centrist. Reality means nothing. So, if they are going to brand the candidate as a radical socialist regardless.....why not send the candidate up who may actually be as far to the left as they portray? Why let fear of what Republicans might do dictate the candidate on the Democratic side? We already know what Republicans will do. They will shamelessly slime whoever the candidate is. It doesn't matter.

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You say that as if it is not the same on the other side.

Of course it is. The difference is that Republicans don't care. They don't let the fear of what Democrats might do to them impact their choice.

Also, Democrats aren't quite as dirty or loud. There is no equivalent on the left to Fox News or right-wing radio. They've got Rachel Maddow. Also, can you imagine if the Democrats went and found some former military guys that were stationed with John McCain and trashed his war record? Democrats generally don't stoop to that level but maybe they should start.

You have your eyes and ears closed if you really believe that. Both sides are equally as bad. The left has (other than Fox News and some local AM talk) the media. From movies and TV shows to SNL. I can't believe that you don't see the propaganda.

The left has "the media"? Do you mean the same media that just released the movie "13 Hours" and talks about the latest Donald Trump controversy every waking moment?

That media you are referring to does whatever it takes to get ratings. It doesn't care about left vs right issues. Fox News does though.

[cardsfansince82]

Well, this is shameless.

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/28/bla ... hite-guys/

New FEC filings show that all of the $417,250 in monetary donations to a Super PAC called “Black Americans for a Better Future” comes from conservative white businessmen — including $400,000, or 96 percent of the total, from white billionaire hedge fund manager Robert Mercer.

....

BABF appears to exist solely as a vehicle for Washington, D.C., consultant Raynard Jackson, who is African-American. Jackson is quoted on his firm’s website stating that “You have a fundamental right to pursue business interests with the least amount of interference from the government.” Jackson has elsewhere accused Barack Obama of “relentless pandering to homosexuals.”

At an event in November 2015 at the National Press Club, which cost BABF $13,252.79 for the venue and catering, Jackson said that “Having well-trained, credible, experienced African-Americans constantly challenging the liberal orthodoxy in the media will create a tectonic shift in the perception of the Republican Party within the Black community.”

I'm trying to decide which is more implausible: a tectonic shift in the perception of the republican party within the black community, or that guy who is going to solve all the world's problems by collecting piss.

[Radbird]

Boring debate. Rubio loves Guantanamo. Chris Wallace smacked down Cruz. The humor is gone.