HoF class of 2025 - players

[heyzeus]

Wagner should not have made it. Oh well.

Why should one of the best relievers not be in the HOF?

If you’re a terrible post season relief pitcher, you shouldn’t be a hall of famer.

That seems like a silly dealbreaker since the overwhelming majority of any player's body of work is the regular season. Sure, give consideration to how guys did on the biggest stage -- no one will forget AP's dominance, or David Ortiz literally ripping the Cardinals apart in the WS twice. But by this measure Clayton Kershaw wouldn't be a HOFer either. Craig Biggio had a .618 career postseason OPS - he's out. So is Bagwell (.685)! Tons of players didn't thrive in the small sample size of the playoffs. Todd Helton of all people had a .584 playoff OPS. That's Kozma-esque.

[InvincibleCakeEater]

Wagner should not have made it. Oh well.

Why should one of the best relievers not be in the HOF?

If you’re a terrible post season relief pitcher, you shouldn’t be a hall of famer.

It’s 11 innings LMAO

[Popeye_Card]

I don't think it should disqualify him from the HoF, but you do have to admit that Wagner's postseason performance was consistently putrid. Out of 14 appearances:

- Allowed 0 runs in only 7 of them (2 of those were for only 1 out each)
- Allowed 2 or more runs in 5 of them
- 11.2 IP, 21 hits allowed, 13(!) ER

That's pretty awful.

[dmarx114]

Wagner should not have made it. Oh well.

Why should one of the best relievers not be in the HOF?

If you’re a terrible post season relief pitcher, you shouldn’t be a hall of famer.

That seems like a silly dealbreaker since the overwhelming majority of any player's body of work is the regular season. Sure, give consideration to how guys did on the biggest stage -- no one will forget AP's dominance, or David Ortiz literally ripping the Cardinals apart in the WS twice. But by this measure Clayton Kershaw wouldn't be a HOFer either. Craig Biggio had a .618 career postseason OPS - he's out. So is Bagwell (.685)! Tons of players didn't thrive in the small sample size of the playoffs. Todd Helton of all people had a .584 playoff OPS. That's Kozma-esque.

I need my HOF closers to be exceptional in the post season. Can't have Billy choke job Wagner hanging out with Ruth, Mays, and Musial.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Wagner should not have made it. Oh well.

Why should one of the best relievers not be in the HOF?

If you’re a terrible post season relief pitcher, you shouldn’t be a hall of famer.

From where I sat, I thought he was an excellent postseason pitcher.

[obucard]

Wagner should not have made it. Oh well.

Why should one of the best relievers not be in the HOF?

If you’re a terrible post season relief pitcher, you shouldn’t be a hall of famer.

From where I sat, I thought he was an excellent postseason pitcher.

He gave the Cards some great memories.

[SHOW]

[jagtrader]

Given the proliferation of really effective 60 inning relievers, there are gonna be more Billy Wagners going forward. I guess they’ll have to put Kenley Jansen in the HOF as well.

[Jocephus]

COOPERSTOWN, N.Y. -- CC Sabathia will have a New York Yankees logo on the cap of his Hall of Fame plaque and Billy Wagner will have the symbol of the Houston Astros.

The hall announced the decisions Monday for all five of this year's inductees. Ichiro Suzuki will have the cap of the Seattle Mariners, Dave Parker of the Pittsburgh Pirates and Dick Allen of the Philadelphia Phillies.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/437 ... lly-wagner

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Those all make sense to me.

[Jocephus]

Ichiro Suzuki to donate personal collection to Hall of Fame

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/438 ... -hall-fame