Paul
Any chance the Cardinals start Thomas and O'Neill in the Corners and make Fowler the 4th outfielder? Doesn't make sense to start an older declining player ahead of two younger guys with more potential upside. Also any chance Fowler waives the No Trade Clause if Carlson starts tearing up AAA and gets called up?
Craig Edwards
The Cardinals had better outfielders last year and Fowler got 574 PA. I think it would take a lot to get Fowler out of a starting role. If the Cardinals were out of it and Fowler was playing well, I could see him waiving his no-trade clause, but that seems like a pretty far-fetched scenario. If Fowler is about to lose his job, a Fowler trade seems like a pretty tough one to make.
The Off-season Plan
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I wish there was a way to forget that fowler and carpenter are signed for 2 more freaking seasons...
(and most likely 3 for carpenter since his vesting option for 2022 will most likely be hit based on past PA apperances)
(and most likely 3 for carpenter since his vesting option for 2022 will most likely be hit based on past PA apperances)
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That chart from Sportrac is laughably dishonest.
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What's the most likely reason the Cards didn't upgrade the offense? Sunk cost for Carp/Fowler? Too high payroll overall? Giving opportunity to prospects?
Ben Clemens
This is a good question, and I don't know that we'll ever get an answer from them, so I'll just have to hypothesize. I think the team is reasonably banking on a bounceback from Carpenter, but I'm pessimistic there.
I think that they're also in the position where it's a tough team to upgrade, because honestly, Nick Castellanos versus whichever of hte prospects works out best isn't an obvious call to me.
It's a downer for 2020, because they'll have to play these guys a bit and might pick the wrong one, but the Cardinals are facing their usual issue of enough pretty decent guys that it's a tough roster to upgrade.
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Dude's only 22 and did put up a 3.40 FIP/3.53 xFIP in AA ball over 146 IP. Low walks and HR rate. I don't hate it!
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Hi Craig, who would be the most likely Cardinal to have a surprise 5+ WAR year?
Craig Edwards
Probably Harrison Bader or Matt Carpenter. Carlos Martinez with an outside shot if he pitched 180 innings.
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I'm intrigued.heyzeus wrote:Dude's only 22 and did put up a 3.40 FIP/3.53 xFIP in AA ball over 146 IP. Low walks and HR rate. I don't hate it!
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I would have to think Mo has to be interested in looking into the Joc Pederson situation..... Pederson mashes RHP. Our current CF is much betteer vs. LHP. Seems like a great potential fit. Vs RHP a lineup of the following would look a lot better imo
Wong
Carpenter
Goldy
Pederson
Dejong
O'Neill/Thomas/Bader
Fowler/Edman
Yadi
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Pederson
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O'Neill/Thomas/Bader
Fowler/Edman
Yadi
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Pederson does seem like an ideal fit to platoon with all the righties we have.DeadMoney wrote: ↑February 10 20, 8:37 amI would have to think Mo has to be interested in looking into the Joc Pederson situation..... Pederson mashes RHP. Our current CF is much betteer vs. LHP. Seems like a great potential fit. Vs RHP a lineup of the following would look a lot better imo
Wong
Carpenter
Goldy
Pederson
Dejong
O'Neill/Thomas/Bader
Fowler/Edman
Yadi
Pitcher