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Someone needs to change the thread title: "Can DeJong Break Down?"

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cardsfantx wrote:
August 24 21, 7:08 pm
He’s been bad this year, and still has a 1.3 WAR

Got 16 HRs and plays solid defense…we have a lot bigger issues than SS IMO (esp with sosa doing well)
Could improve by 3-4 wins with one of the marquee FAs available though, and still keep DeJong around for 1 WAR for spot starts/2B/UT.

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Big Amoco Sign wrote:
August 24 21, 11:52 pm
cardsfantx wrote:
August 24 21, 7:08 pm
He’s been bad this year, and still has a 1.3 WAR

Got 16 HRs and plays solid defense…we have a lot bigger issues than SS IMO (esp with sosa doing well)
Could improve by 3-4 wins with one of the marquee FAs available though, and still keep DeJong around for 1 WAR for spot starts/2B/UT.
Hey I’m all for that…

But they let wong walk over 12 million, but resign a much worse aging player in yadi for 10 million

So I don’t have very much faith that we do things that are smart

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cardsfantx wrote:
August 25 21, 6:53 am
Big Amoco Sign wrote:
August 24 21, 11:52 pm
cardsfantx wrote:
August 24 21, 7:08 pm
He’s been bad this year, and still has a 1.3 WAR

Got 16 HRs and plays solid defense…we have a lot bigger issues than SS IMO (esp with sosa doing well)
Could improve by 3-4 wins with one of the marquee FAs available though, and still keep DeJong around for 1 WAR for spot starts/2B/UT.
Hey I’m all for that…

But they let wong walk over 12 million, but resign a much worse aging player in yadi for 10 million

So I don’t have very much faith that we do things that are smart
This isn't apples to apples.

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dmarx114 wrote:
August 25 21, 7:05 am
cardsfantx wrote:
August 25 21, 6:53 am
Big Amoco Sign wrote:
August 24 21, 11:52 pm
cardsfantx wrote:
August 24 21, 7:08 pm
He’s been bad this year, and still has a 1.3 WAR

Got 16 HRs and plays solid defense…we have a lot bigger issues than SS IMO (esp with sosa doing well)
Could improve by 3-4 wins with one of the marquee FAs available though, and still keep DeJong around for 1 WAR for spot starts/2B/UT.
Hey I’m all for that…

But they let wong walk over 12 million, but resign a much worse aging player in yadi for 10 million

So I don’t have very much faith that we do things that are smart
This isn't apples to apples.
care to explain?

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cardsfantx wrote:
August 25 21, 7:16 am
dmarx114 wrote:
August 25 21, 7:05 am
cardsfantx wrote:
August 25 21, 6:53 am
Big Amoco Sign wrote:
August 24 21, 11:52 pm
cardsfantx wrote:
August 24 21, 7:08 pm
He’s been bad this year, and still has a 1.3 WAR

Got 16 HRs and plays solid defense…we have a lot bigger issues than SS IMO (esp with sosa doing well)
Could improve by 3-4 wins with one of the marquee FAs available though, and still keep DeJong around for 1 WAR for spot starts/2B/UT.
Hey I’m all for that…

But they let wong walk over 12 million, but resign a much worse aging player in yadi for 10 million

So I don’t have very much faith that we do things that are smart
This isn't apples to apples.
care to explain?
Goes without saying that they play different positions. The Cardinals had a replacement for Wong, who has done almost as well, for a fraction of the cost.

Was anyone here comfortable starting Knizer for 100 games? The Mets signed James McCann for $8mm a year for 4 years. He's been a train wreck. Yadi is so freaking valuable to our team. The downgrade from him to any realistic replacement would have been drastic.

Picking Yadi over Wong was a very smart decision.

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dmarx114 wrote:
August 25 21, 7:22 am
cardsfantx wrote:
August 25 21, 7:16 am
dmarx114 wrote:
August 25 21, 7:05 am
cardsfantx wrote:
August 25 21, 6:53 am
Big Amoco Sign wrote:
August 24 21, 11:52 pm
cardsfantx wrote:
August 24 21, 7:08 pm
He’s been bad this year, and still has a 1.3 WAR

Got 16 HRs and plays solid defense…we have a lot bigger issues than SS IMO (esp with sosa doing well)
Could improve by 3-4 wins with one of the marquee FAs available though, and still keep DeJong around for 1 WAR for spot starts/2B/UT.
Hey I’m all for that…

But they let wong walk over 12 million, but resign a much worse aging player in yadi for 10 million

So I don’t have very much faith that we do things that are smart
This isn't apples to apples.
care to explain?
Goes without saying that they play different positions. The Cardinals had a replacement for Wong, who has done almost as well, for a fraction of the cost.

Was anyone here comfortable starting Knizer for 100 games? The Mets signed James McCann for $8mm a year for 4 years. He's been a train wreck. Yadi is so freaking valuable to our team. The downgrade from him to any realistic replacement would have been drastic.

Picking Yadi over Wong was a very smart decision.
Edman has not been comparable to Wong...wong has him more than doubled in WAR in 200 less PA

and yes, Knizner could duplicate (as a minimum) what Yadi does currently

if they let Wong walk, they should do the same with Yadi

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cardsfantx wrote:
August 25 21, 7:48 am
dmarx114 wrote:
August 25 21, 7:22 am
cardsfantx wrote:
August 25 21, 7:16 am
dmarx114 wrote:
August 25 21, 7:05 am
cardsfantx wrote:
August 25 21, 6:53 am
Big Amoco Sign wrote:
August 24 21, 11:52 pm
cardsfantx wrote:
August 24 21, 7:08 pm
He’s been bad this year, and still has a 1.3 WAR

Got 16 HRs and plays solid defense…we have a lot bigger issues than SS IMO (esp with sosa doing well)
Could improve by 3-4 wins with one of the marquee FAs available though, and still keep DeJong around for 1 WAR for spot starts/2B/UT.
Hey I’m all for that…

But they let wong walk over 12 million, but resign a much worse aging player in yadi for 10 million

So I don’t have very much faith that we do things that are smart
This isn't apples to apples.
care to explain?
Goes without saying that they play different positions. The Cardinals had a replacement for Wong, who has done almost as well, for a fraction of the cost.

Was anyone here comfortable starting Knizer for 100 games? The Mets signed James McCann for $8mm a year for 4 years. He's been a train wreck. Yadi is so freaking valuable to our team. The downgrade from him to any realistic replacement would have been drastic.

Picking Yadi over Wong was a very smart decision.
Edman has not been comparable to Wong...wong has him more than doubled in WAR in 200 less PA

and yes, Knizner could duplicate (as a minimum) what Yadi does currently

if they let Wong walk, they should do the same with Yadi
And this is why the "How good is Yadi thread" exists.

Also, baseball reference has Wong at 2.8 WAR and Edman at 2.6.

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dmarx114 wrote:
August 25 21, 7:22 am

Goes without saying that they play different positions. The Cardinals had a replacement for Wong, who has done almost as well, for a fraction of the cost.
Wong has twice as much fWAR than Edman in like 200 less PAs.

Wong is 121 wRC+ and a better glove. Edman is 89 wRC+. They are not close to the same.

Edman and DeJong together are both worth less than Wong who was even hurt part of the year. It’s silliness to act like Wong was replaceable so easily.
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