I agree with a lot of what you're saying here.TheoSqua wrote: ↑August 20 20, 9:44 amI always wonder about comments like this. I think most of us have made jokes or have humor around things that don't align with our core beliefs. For example i'm fairly religious, but there's been several sacrilegious jokes that i've found wildly hilarious that would be really offensive to another person. i've participated in jokes about race that would be horribly inappropriate given a different audience. Most people I know have some overlap with offensive material and their personal sense of humor.
So when something like this happens i'm always curious is the person legitimately a bigot and this is part of his inner personality, or was this some attempt of humor he had with someone he has a rapport with that is funny to them in their inner circle, but doesn't align with his actual core feelings/beliefs?
Either way, he should know better than to do something unprofessional in a job with a live mic. I generally don't make a lot of offensive jokes/comments, but if it were to happen it wouldn't be in the workplace because I like my job.
I just know i'm not perfect and I wouldn't want the core of who I am to be judged on a few jokes i've made in poor taste or that are only funny around certain people, etc. So when I see someone like this get publicly skewered I wonder if it's an over reaction or a legitimate revealing of who the person is.
I think the perfect example of what i'm talking about is James Gunn's tweets that got him temporarily fired from Guardians of the Galaxy. They were some pretty rough jokes that were inappropriate to a large number of people and the internet as a whole was pretty divided on how he should be held responsible for that.
Guys like Aubrey Huff and Curt Schilling - they're degenerates. They openly boast about how bigoted they are. There's no defending them.
Brennaman has always come off as a pretentious douchebag to me. I think most people probably perceived him as an arrogant prick even coming into this incident. He probably doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he does actually look down on gays.
Still, taking private convos - or like you said, inside jokes - at face value (which cancel culture does all the time to help fuel narratives) is imo very disingenuous. Imagine if the Front Right Beer Girl thread from GWB went viral on the internet. This place would probably be labeled perverted, misogynistic, and a breeding ground for objectification of women. Honestly, in today's society, it could probably be used as fuel to get someone fired if the internet mob banded together with their pitchforks. However, any regular of this site knows that the replies in that topic are exaggerated for effect. Context and rapport matters, but that's never factored in when judging convos as an outsider.
This happening at his workplace does change things a bit. On one hand, since he's been doing it so long, I do see how he could be desensitized to wearing a mic and let this slip. Still, even if he thought he wasn't live, there's still an entire production crew that would've been able to hear him, so it definitely seems careless and insensitive regardless. That said, I speak pretty freely at work with people I trust (again, inside jokes and rapport). Even my coworkers with the cleanest, most-sterling reputations say things candidly off the record. I can think of damning comments virtually every one of my coworkers have made when taken out of context.
I'm glad that people are being grilled for holding these archaic and hateful beliefs, but I don't like how vindictive society is becoming as a whole. Collectively, we're way too quick to jump to the nuclear option. As much as I dislike Brennaman, wanting to destroy a 30-year career over this seems extreme and hateful in its own right. Punish him, but give him a chance to change and grow.