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Meija is supposed to be a big deal, too.

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He hasn't been very good yet. It might change yet because he's young enough, but that's about it.

Over enough time and in retrospect, the Rays will probably be seen as the "winners" of this deal because the guys involved will put up the necessary $/WAR. But, the Rays traded their best pitcher and probably their best player who still isn't making that much the offseason after winning the pennant and haven't done anything to replace him. If the parts involved don't contribute as much or more than Snell will in 21, then they've lost the trade.

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It is weird to me because the Rays were just in the World Series and they have basically shipped off some of the main reasons they made it there. Of course last season was a really weird season; so maybe they are banking on the fact that they only got there on a fluke and that they need to once again rebuild rather than reload. Either way they are weird.

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MrCrowesGarden wrote:
December 28 20, 10:21 am
The Rays can piss up a rope.

No reason to believe they’re hurting financially until they open the books and prove it
The owners are certainly not hurting for money, but if ownership sets a budget it's up to the GM to build the best roster he can within that framework. The Rays continue to be brilliant at it and their trades almost always work out in their favor. Cole Wilcox has the potential to be a very good starter and Patino could front a rotation. The others are useful pieces.

Snell is really good and affordable though.

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The Rays best trades are almost always when they trade overvalued prospects. They really haven’t done great by trading away stars. Fine, but not great.

Anyhow, imagine going back a decade and saying getting one top 100 guy for your ace pitcher on a team friendly contract is a great haul.

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MrCrowesGarden wrote:
December 29 20, 5:49 am
The Rays best trades are almost always when they trade overvalued prospects. They really haven’t done great by trading away stars. Fine, but not great.

Anyhow, imagine going back a decade and saying getting one top 100 guy for your ace pitcher on a team friendly contract is a great haul.
If anything it reminds me of the olden days when Walt was able to acquire Rolen and Edmonds in exchange for packages of okayish prospect talent.

The difference is that in 2020/2021, Only about 5 teams are actually trying to get better, the rest are trying to get by while cutting costs. What an exciting time to be a baseball fan of one of the 25 teams aspiring to be the king of the mediocrities.

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I’m not completely sold on Snell being an ace caliber pitcher. Obviously he had an outstanding 2018 season. Other than that he has been more in the range of #2-3 starter type performance. To my knowledge he has not had Tommy John surgery yet, so there is always that ticking time bomb for a pitcher. The contract is obviously good.

I can certainly see an argument for the Rays making this move, depending on the return. Based on rankings it seems light, but the Rays are pretty good judges of talent.

Good for the Padres to be seizing the opportunity to go for it, with an exciting young team.

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Even if the return is good, and it might very well be, none of that excuses the Rays actively getting worse a year after going to the World Series when their window is wide open.

Much of the belief in the Rays is that they’ll just keep pulling arms out of their butts forever. Right now, Michael Wacha is their third starter.

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I'm not sure that excuses are required for a franchise that has consistently been outstanding at being cheap and uninspired. They play in a dump, in front of no fans, and haven't had a payroll above the bottom-10 in the league in nearly 20 years.

It is just what they do. They've been a garbage franchise since day 1. The only interesting part about them is that they are consistently active traders, and watching the packages they get in return for their players.

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But that kind of analysis is also extremely uninspired. It’s been done before. I’d be interested to hear from a player who would never want to play for the Rays because it likely means uprooting your entire life if you’re any good by like, your arb 1 year.

The Rays are just in a class of their own on cheapness in a league full of cheapskates. This is a team that could’ve signed Machado and Harper in 2018 and still would have had a bottom 10 payroll.

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