Stroman Watch (p. 4 Stroman to Cubs)
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MO’s a [expletive] stooge
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I know he is past his prime now, but I would argue Yadi was considered an elite catcher at some point during his career.
Jack Flaherty isn't too shabby, either.
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You have quite the obsession with these mythical beasts.Famous Mortimer wrote: ↑December 2 21, 12:42 pmI hope all the people who prioritise the profits of the owners of baseball teams over the product they put on the field is enjoying the fruits of their labours today.
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Define "prioritize"?Famous Mortimer wrote: ↑December 2 21, 12:42 pmI hope all the people who prioritise the profits of the owners of baseball teams over the product they put on the field is enjoying the fruits of their labours today.
Because I don't complain about ownership in every thread on a message board, I'm prioritizing profits?
We have what we have. As long as you continue to invest time and resources toward the team, you're prioritizing their profits too.
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Double the career WAR is meaningless when it comes to what they'll do next season and you know that. Obviously Stroman is better, but the protections are like half a win better (3.0 to 2.5). They're pretty similar pitchers with some relatively small differences in strikeouts, workload and ground balls.Big Amoco Sign wrote: ↑December 2 21, 12:18 pmMore than double the career WAR but OK (With taking the COVID season off). Higher projections. Outperforms expected numbers better.Superorganism wrote: ↑December 2 21, 12:14 pmIs Stroman that much better than Matz? Some would argue no.
I'll take Matz and something else over Stroman all day long - it's that something else part that's the sticking point right now.
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I’m bringing up the career WAR because of the ability to produce. Stroman doesn’t have the slew of injuries in his history that Matz does. I don’t think Matz pitches over 150 innings. Hell I’d be happy if he got close. Stroman tends to outperform his projections, doesn’t he? So a 3 WAR can be 3.5.
We shall see.
We shall see.
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I saw it mentioned on Twitter that there's a chance Story takes a pillow contract. That's still probably going to be more than the Cardinals will spend but wouldn't be opposed to it.haltz wrote: ↑December 2 21, 1:03 pmDouble the career WAR is meaningless when it comes to what they'll do next season and you know that. Obviously Stroman is better, but the protections are like half a win better (3.0 to 2.5). They're pretty similar pitchers with some relatively small differences in strikeouts, workload and ground balls.Big Amoco Sign wrote: ↑December 2 21, 12:18 pmMore than double the career WAR but OK (With taking the COVID season off). Higher projections. Outperforms expected numbers better.Superorganism wrote: ↑December 2 21, 12:14 pmIs Stroman that much better than Matz? Some would argue no.
I'll take Matz and something else over Stroman all day long - it's that something else part that's the sticking point right now.
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Not a big Story fan, but I could slowly get on board with a Matz + Story + LH backup OF offseason. It would still be a pretty massive disappointment, but it is a pretty strong 2022 roster on paper.
I'd be more on board if there was a package around DeJong going to the A's for another SP. It still wouldn't bring the #1/#2 type starter I think the Cardinals still need, but the added depth would make me feel a lot better.
I'd be more on board if there was a package around DeJong going to the A's for another SP. It still wouldn't bring the #1/#2 type starter I think the Cardinals still need, but the added depth would make me feel a lot better.
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Story is the one move that I don’t want them to do.
You get his production all day from Sosa/DeJong/Edman (when Gorman plays).
If you want more wins than current output at SS. Go Correa or find other upgrades (pitching).
You get his production all day from Sosa/DeJong/Edman (when Gorman plays).
If you want more wins than current output at SS. Go Correa or find other upgrades (pitching).