phins wrote: ↑June 25 22, 4:49 pmI understand your point. As a point of reference I’m a Data Scientist for a Fortune 500 company and run the analytics for a product of ours with a Master of Science in Analytics from Georgia Tech.Big Amoco Sign wrote: ↑June 25 22, 4:33 pmFairly certain that’s the only thing besides pinch hits and pinch runs and subs that a manager controls. Lineups out of control likely by non Tony/Buck/Dusty types.phins wrote: ↑June 25 22, 4:30 pmIf you take their numbers and do nothing else with them, ok.Big Amoco Sign wrote: ↑June 25 22, 3:37 pmYou and @dmarx114 are mathematically wrong in regards to Oli.
Fangraphs says Manager runs created = Reliever WPA - Reliever WPA/LI.
Oli is third in all of baseball with 2.20. With a crappy pen at that. You guys are just flat wrong on Oli.
If he's bad, 26 other managers are worse.
I’ll take comprehensive formulas over “eye test” stuff.
6/25 GDT: Cubs(Sampson) vs Cardinals(Mikolas) 1:15 PM CT
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Whoops!!!Joe Shlabotnik wrote: ↑June 25 22, 5:04 pmphins wrote: ↑June 25 22, 4:49 pmI understand your point. As a point of reference I’m a Data Scientist for a Fortune 500 company and run the analytics for a product of ours with a Master of Science in Analytics from Georgia Tech.Big Amoco Sign wrote: ↑June 25 22, 4:33 pmFairly certain that’s the only thing besides pinch hits and pinch runs and subs that a manager controls. Lineups out of control likely by non Tony/Buck/Dusty types.phins wrote: ↑June 25 22, 4:30 pmIf you take their numbers and do nothing else with them, ok.Big Amoco Sign wrote: ↑June 25 22, 3:37 pm
You and @dmarx114 are mathematically wrong in regards to Oli.
Fangraphs says Manager runs created = Reliever WPA - Reliever WPA/LI.
Oli is third in all of baseball with 2.20. With a crappy pen at that. You guys are just flat wrong on Oli.
If he's bad, 26 other managers are worse.
I’ll take comprehensive formulas over “eye test” stuff.
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I have a masters of science too. I’m not a stooge on this stuff. But I’m not the smartest on this stuff either which is why I lean on Fangraphs and baseball people on this. If this formula stinks and isn’t comprehensive I’m all ears. Being third tells me Oli isn’t bad. His pen is middle of the pack numbers wise, so adding Manager wins at a rate where you’re third in MLB says *something*.phins wrote: ↑June 25 22, 4:49 pmI understand your point. As a point of reference I’m a Data Scientist for a Fortune 500 company and run the analytics for a product of ours with a Master of Science in Analytics from Georgia Tech.Big Amoco Sign wrote: ↑June 25 22, 4:33 pmFairly certain that’s the only thing besides pinch hits and pinch runs and subs that a manager controls. Lineups out of control likely by non Tony/Buck/Dusty types.phins wrote: ↑June 25 22, 4:30 pmIf you take their numbers and do nothing else with them, ok.Big Amoco Sign wrote: ↑June 25 22, 3:37 pmYou and @dmarx114 are mathematically wrong in regards to Oli.
Fangraphs says Manager runs created = Reliever WPA - Reliever WPA/LI.
Oli is third in all of baseball with 2.20. With a crappy pen at that. You guys are just flat wrong on Oli.
If he's bad, 26 other managers are worse.
I’ll take comprehensive formulas over “eye test” stuff.
Using data for something as layered as bullpen management is difficult to do. If you evaluate just on leverage index and WPA, he most likely fares well because he has limited options.
It’s possible I’m wrong on this topic, but to this point I haven’t been overly impressed with bullpen decisions.
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Re: 6/25 GDT: Cubs(Sampson) vs Cardinals(Mikolas) 1:15 PM CT
I wrote and re-wrote that several times.
My point was just to convey that I understand being data driven. Not to say my opinion is worth more than yours, but rather that measuring bullpen usage is not as simple as taking leverage and WPA and saying that’s good.
It does show that he uses his best relievers in the biggest spots, which is a positive, for sure.
My point was just to convey that I understand being data driven. Not to say my opinion is worth more than yours, but rather that measuring bullpen usage is not as simple as taking leverage and WPA and saying that’s good.
It does show that he uses his best relievers in the biggest spots, which is a positive, for sure.
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I am He-Man, Master of the Universe. I do not have a Masters of Science.
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So it came off the way I feared. Ha
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I remember when that happened.Joe Shlabotnik wrote: ↑June 25 22, 7:07 pm@phins,don't beat yourself up. The whole board knows you know more about pitching than ANYBODY. We just never had the balls to tell Ken Boyer.
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speaking of random old posters like boyer, did Skrmsw ever come back after (Doc Ellis?) questioned him about his claims working for the red sox?Joe Shlabotnik wrote: ↑June 25 22, 7:07 pm@phins,don't beat yourself up. The whole board knows you know more about pitching than ANYBODY. We just never had the balls to tell Ken Boyer.