6/25 GDT: Cubs(Sampson) vs Cardinals(Mikolas) 1:15 PM CT

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Re: 6/25 GDT: Cubs(Sampson) vs Cardinals(Mikolas) 1:15 PM CT

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Lot of mistakes this inning. Not super.

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Seemed reasonable to leave gio in after 25 pitches. Certainly not a head scratcher to leave him in.

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phins wrote:
June 25 22, 3:05 pm
If Oli had gone to another pitcher other than Helsley you could see it more, but if you’re going to just go to Helsley anyway, then what are you doing leaving the struggling guy in?
Gio not getting the job done on a crappy hitter is not the manager’s fault and he wasn’t really struggling.

Helsley was forced to be an option. Not really a real option. Situation forced Oli’s hand.

There’s only two reliable arms in the pen, that’s on Mo.
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My eyes told me he wasn’t missing bats or finishing his slider.

Admittedly, I think Oli has been awful this year with the bullpen and doesn’t have the benefit of doubt from me.

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phins wrote:
June 25 22, 3:13 pm
My eyes told me he wasn’t missing bats or finishing his slider.

Admittedly, I think Oli has been awful this year with the bullpen and doesn’t have the benefit of doubt from me.
Pitches 21, 22, and 23 were all swings and misses.

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I have trouble blaming Oli. Our bullpen is bad. It has 3 reliable guys and one just went on the IL today.

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Great job kid.

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I thought that was out

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Yeah, thought that was gone

Need to treat Herrera as the starter please

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phins wrote:
June 25 22, 3:13 pm
My eyes told me he wasn’t missing bats or finishing his slider.

Admittedly, I think Oli has been awful this year with the bullpen and doesn’t have the benefit of doubt from me.
You and @dmarx114 are mathematically wrong in regards to Oli.

Fangraphs says Manager runs created = Reliever WPA - Reliever WPA/LI.

Oli is third in all of baseball with 2.20. With a crappy pen at that. You guys are just flat wrong on Oli.

If he's bad, 26 other managers are worse.

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