Mets sign Jose Quintana

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There is no ace coming. Quintana could approximate an ace, and for pennies. This is an ufck up.

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BottenFieldofDreams wrote:
December 7 22, 11:23 am
There is no ace coming. Quintana could approximate an ace, and for pennies. This is an ufck up.
He could. Or he could turn back into the mediocre pitcher he was with the Cubs. If more teams were sold on him keeping up last year’s performance, he doesn’t sign this sort of deal.

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BottenFieldofDreams wrote:
December 7 22, 11:23 am
There is no ace coming. Quintana could approximate an ace, and for pennies. This is an ufck up.
The more likely scenario is Quintana reverts back to being a 3-4th starter which he has been for the last 6 years. I'm not against bringing him back, but I think it's setting yourself up for disappointment if you think he was likely to replicate what he did in his 62 innings here.

Expecting a guy with mediocre stuff to continue on this path of elite performance, I just don't see it. He gave up 1 HR in 62 innings. That's not sustainable.
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Quintana will be 34, has below average velocity, and had a clearly unsustainable run in a Cardinals uniform(if nothing else, that 1.9% HR/FB rate is gonna multiply). We'll have to wait to see what better projection systems say, but Steamer projects him at 2.0 fWAR in 31 starts. That doesn't make his Mets contract bad, but for a Cardinals rotation that is long on MLB caliber but short on all-star upside I think you'd prefer to invest in a SP that has more room for positive variance than Quintana likely has. For example, Andrew Heaney basically got the same deal as Quintana.

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Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
December 7 22, 11:32 am
Quintana will be 34, has below average velocity, and had a clearly unsustainable run in a Cardinals uniform(if nothing else, that 1.9% HR/FB rate is gonna multiply). We'll have to wait to see what better projection systems say, but Steamer projects him at 2.0 fWAR in 31 starts. That doesn't make his Mets contract bad, but for a Cardinals rotation that is long on MLB caliber but short on all-star upside I think you'd prefer to invest in a SP that has more room for positive variance than Quintana likely has. For example, Andrew Heaney basically got the same deal as Quintana.
But also not with the Cardinals. We’re going to go with our middling rotation and then add another Quintana in July (at best, could be a Happ) and pretend we made a run for an ace. Better the Quintana you know in the hand than a thousand words, or whatever.

What we’re doing and going to do later doesnt match the upside we’ve seen Quintana realize, or at least certainly won’t exceed it. Even if I’m too high on it.

We lose here.
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Damn, I’d have loved q back on that deal

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BottenFieldofDreams wrote:
December 7 22, 11:36 am
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
December 7 22, 11:32 am
Quintana will be 34, has below average velocity, and had a clearly unsustainable run in a Cardinals uniform(if nothing else, that 1.9% HR/FB rate is gonna multiply). We'll have to wait to see what better projection systems say, but Steamer projects him at 2.0 fWAR in 31 starts. That doesn't make his Mets contract bad, but for a Cardinals rotation that is long on MLB caliber but short on all-star upside I think you'd prefer to invest in a SP that has more room for positive variance than Quintana likely has. For example, Andrew Heaney basically got the same deal as Quintana.
But also not with the Cardinals. We’re going to go with our middling rotation and then add another Quintana in July (at best, could be a Happ) and pretend we made a run for an ace. Better the Quintana you know in the hand than a thousand words, or whatever.

What we’re doing and going to do later doesnt match the upside we’ve seen Quintana realize, or at least certainly won’t exceed it. Even if I’m too high on it.

We lose here.
Rotation is already in a better spot this off-season than last because of Montgomery.

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We’ll miss even struck-midnight Q by the end of May.

At least it’s easy to picture. Maybe there’s more to come. I certainly hope so, but not with great energy.

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I think Woodford, if pressed for starting duty, would perform well.

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You keep Waino, but you can't figure out a way to keep Quintana? Sure, Waino has a great Cardinal history, but who would you rather have starting 30 games next year? It's not even a close call.

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