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Ohtani would be fine in the OF. Lots of good examples mentioned above as to why.

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All this talk about Ohtani coming here. Why wouldn't Shoei want to stay in LA, and just have his buddy shipped over there? For, lets say, a Trout trade to StL?

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dmarx114 wrote:
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Ohtani would be fine in the OF. Lots of good examples mentioned above as to why.
What examples? Not saying this derisively, just curious. Ankiel had a large body of minor league work just prior to coming up to MLB. Ankiel is also way more athletic than Ohtani from a speed/agility POV. His age cliff was later than most because of this. Ohtani is a giant. In three years he will be below middle of the pack speed wise, and way lower than average OF. The league has moved away from just stashing non OF guys like Duncan out there. We have metrics on why that's bad despite their bat.

There will be a potential ten year gap between his already limited OF play.

Also this isn't a knock on Ohtani. He can get 3-4 WAR a year on the back half of his career at DH only.

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Imagine him throwing just enough to stay a bullpen option in high leverage situations. The lineup shenanigans a manager could play by not having to remove someone from the lineup to get a pitcher in there would be something TLR could only imagine in his wildest fantasies.

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Imagine him throwing just enough to stay a bullpen option in high leverage situations. The lineup shenanigans a manager could play by not having to remove someone from the lineup to get a pitcher in there would be something TLR could only imagine in his wildest fantasies.
The Rays were sticking guys like Sergio Romo at 3B for one batter so he could re-enter the game.

I don’t know if the reverse of the “Ohtani rule” exists where it goes from position player -> pitcher -> DH. So he could probably only do it on games he’s in OF. But that would be interesting to know too. Someone with a better handle on the DH rules might know.

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Great recap. I should've watched more games.

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DeRosa saying Ohtani is a 'unicorn to the sport' is so fitting.

Love how he said, what Ohtani did in the WBC is like what most of these guys (think he was referring to team USA but not sure) did in Little League. Hit the [expletive] out of the ball. Pitch like a banshee. Only Ohtani did it against the best in the world. Pretty damn cool to see.

Wish the US had won and wish Japan had started Darvish mainly for that reason. But, they didn't. And, kudos to them. Great tournament.

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Big Amoco Sign wrote:
March 22 23, 2:47 pm
dmarx114 wrote:
March 22 23, 2:08 pm
Ohtani would be fine in the OF. Lots of good examples mentioned above as to why.
What examples? Not saying this derisively, just curious. Ankiel had a large body of minor league work just prior to coming up to MLB. Ankiel is also way more athletic than Ohtani from a speed/agility POV. His age cliff was later than most because of this. Ohtani is a giant. In three years he will be below middle of the pack speed wise, and way lower than average OF. The league has moved away from just stashing non OF guys like Duncan out there. We have metrics on why that's bad despite their bat.

There will be a potential ten year gap between his already limited OF play.

Also this isn't a knock on Ohtani. He can get 3-4 WAR a year on the back half of his career at DH only.
You are severely underrating Ohtani's athleticism.

But more to the point, if guys like Brendan Donovan can be passable in the outfield, so will Ohtani.

It's really not that hard.

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dmarx114 wrote:
March 23 23, 7:55 am
Big Amoco Sign wrote:
March 22 23, 2:47 pm
dmarx114 wrote:
March 22 23, 2:08 pm
Ohtani would be fine in the OF. Lots of good examples mentioned above as to why.
What examples? Not saying this derisively, just curious. Ankiel had a large body of minor league work just prior to coming up to MLB. Ankiel is also way more athletic than Ohtani from a speed/agility POV. His age cliff was later than most because of this. Ohtani is a giant. In three years he will be below middle of the pack speed wise, and way lower than average OF. The league has moved away from just stashing non OF guys like Duncan out there. We have metrics on why that's bad despite their bat.

There will be a potential ten year gap between his already limited OF play.

Also this isn't a knock on Ohtani. He can get 3-4 WAR a year on the back half of his career at DH only.
You are severely underrating Ohtani's athleticism.

But more to the point, if guys like Brendan Donovan can be passable in the outfield, so will Ohtani.

It's really not that hard.
And you are severely underrating OF defense. Donovan was -3 OAA in limited OF play. Agree to disagree because managers don't really just bank on athleticism. I can think of so many athletic 6'4" OFs who break down defensively post 32 years old or whatever age cliff. A. Garcia, Fowler, Stanton, Pence, etc. Relying on the OF innings seems like a mistake long term. Penciling in default DH, yes, completely worth it. You're going to see it with Aaron Judge really hard in a few seasons.

"Passable" is such a low bar I guess.

Now if he can be an option out of then pen like someone suggested, that's something I would be really into.

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