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Socnorb11 wrote:
December 17 24, 8:08 pm
phins wrote:
December 17 24, 7:13 pm
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December 17 24, 3:46 pm
Glad the Cubs have a one good player in, one good player out policy.
Yeah, but their plan is to reallocate the funds into the roster for other players. DeWitt's plan is to reallocate the funds into a fourth mansion.
I'm all for criticizing Dewitt, but the Cubs had the 3rd highest revenue in baseball last year. Ricketts is fleecing his fans worse than Dewitt.
All owners are billionaires. Every owner who doesn't spend like the Dodgers is deserving of ridicule and disgust. It's not reserved for DeWitt.

Ricketts is probably bad as well, because again, they are billionaires watching profits in a sport with no salary cap.

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phins wrote:
December 19 24, 11:03 am
Socnorb11 wrote:
December 17 24, 8:08 pm
phins wrote:
December 17 24, 7:13 pm
heyzeus wrote:
December 17 24, 3:46 pm
Glad the Cubs have a one good player in, one good player out policy.
Yeah, but their plan is to reallocate the funds into the roster for other players. DeWitt's plan is to reallocate the funds into a fourth mansion.
I'm all for criticizing Dewitt, but the Cubs had the 3rd highest revenue in baseball last year. Ricketts is fleecing his fans worse than Dewitt.
All owners are billionaires. Every owner who doesn't spend like the Dodgers is deserving of ridicule and disgust. It's not reserved for DeWitt.

Ricketts is probably bad as well, because again, they are billionaires watching profits in a sport with no salary cap.
I can't wait until all these sports teams are owned by corporations instead of private/individual owners. That's when I feel like all teams will be open to spending. Until then, the disparity in payrolls will not get better.

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I think that would make things much worse. With private owners, sports teams can still be vanity projects - they are willing to lose money taking a risk from time to time. Corporations don't work like that, especially if they are publicly held. They would be even more risk averse to ensure that they still turn a profit.

I mean, the Packers work but that's in the NFL - a capped league with widespread revenue sharing, a revenue pool driven by national TV contracts, and virtually no possible way to lose money.

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Re: Cubs trade Cody Bellinger to the Yankees

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phins wrote:
December 19 24, 11:03 am
Socnorb11 wrote:
December 17 24, 8:08 pm
phins wrote:
December 17 24, 7:13 pm
heyzeus wrote:
December 17 24, 3:46 pm
Glad the Cubs have a one good player in, one good player out policy.
Yeah, but their plan is to reallocate the funds into the roster for other players. DeWitt's plan is to reallocate the funds into a fourth mansion.
I'm all for criticizing Dewitt, but the Cubs had the 3rd highest revenue in baseball last year. Ricketts is fleecing his fans worse than Dewitt.
All owners are billionaires. Every owner who doesn't spend like the Dodgers is deserving of ridicule and disgust. It's not reserved for DeWitt.

Ricketts is probably bad as well, because again, they are billionaires watching profits in a sport with no salary cap.
People forget cities don’t own teams, sinfully rich men do… and also I was told not to criticize Dewitt for years because he was no worse than the others. I’m glad this board has moved past that

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Re: Cubs trade Cody Bellinger to the Yankees

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MrCrowesGarden wrote:
December 19 24, 2:54 pm
phins wrote:
December 19 24, 11:03 am
Socnorb11 wrote:
December 17 24, 8:08 pm
phins wrote:
December 17 24, 7:13 pm
heyzeus wrote:
December 17 24, 3:46 pm
Glad the Cubs have a one good player in, one good player out policy.
Yeah, but their plan is to reallocate the funds into the roster for other players. DeWitt's plan is to reallocate the funds into a fourth mansion.
I'm all for criticizing Dewitt, but the Cubs had the 3rd highest revenue in baseball last year. Ricketts is fleecing his fans worse than Dewitt.
All owners are billionaires. Every owner who doesn't spend like the Dodgers is deserving of ridicule and disgust. It's not reserved for DeWitt.

Ricketts is probably bad as well, because again, they are billionaires watching profits in a sport with no salary cap.
People forget cities don’t own teams, sinfully rich men do… and also I was told not to criticize Dewitt for years because he was no worse than the others. I’m glad this board has moved past that
Cities don't own teams, but cities influence revenues, for sure.

I would still say that Dewitt is no worse than 90% of the owners.

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Except we are talking about people with more money than God.

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They're business people though, all of them.

There's a reason why the Cubs are in Chicago IL, and not Winnebago, IL. There's a reason why the Cardinals are in St.Louis, MO, and not Moberly, MO.

Cities matter.

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Socnorb11 wrote:
December 19 24, 7:48 pm
They're business people though, all of them.

There's a reason why the Cubs are in Chicago IL, and not Winnebago, IL. There's a reason why the Cardinals are in St.Louis, MO, and not Moberly, MO.

Cities matter.
I don't deny that. But until all of us get past the pocket watching of billionaires, we will remain as we are.

Eat the rich, though.

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phins wrote:
December 21 24, 7:38 pm
Socnorb11 wrote:
December 19 24, 7:48 pm
They're business people though, all of them.

There's a reason why the Cubs are in Chicago IL, and not Winnebago, IL. There's a reason why the Cardinals are in St.Louis, MO, and not Moberly, MO.

Cities matter.
I don't deny that. But until all of us get past the pocket watching of billionaires, we will remain as we are.

Eat the rich, though.
Oh, for sure

We're addicted though. Although, I think it will reach a tipping point where there's either some sort of cap, or owners just decide to bow out altogether. I'm not sure how you beat the owners at this game. I feel like we (and the players) need it more than the owners do. For most of the owners, it's just a side gig, unfortunately.

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Re: Cubs trade Cody Bellinger to the Yankees

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Socnorb11 wrote:
December 21 24, 8:31 pm
phins wrote:
December 21 24, 7:38 pm
Socnorb11 wrote:
December 19 24, 7:48 pm
They're business people though, all of them.

There's a reason why the Cubs are in Chicago IL, and not Winnebago, IL. There's a reason why the Cardinals are in St.Louis, MO, and not Moberly, MO.

Cities matter.
I don't deny that. But until all of us get past the pocket watching of billionaires, we will remain as we are.

Eat the rich, though.
Oh, for sure

We're addicted though. Although, I think it will reach a tipping point where there's either some sort of cap, or owners just decide to bow out altogether. I'm not sure how you beat the owners at this game. I feel like we (and the players) need it more than the owners do. For most of the owners, it's just a side gig, unfortunately.
In my experience it's the barriers of entry that keep the ones with power, in power. Of course the haves want to keep it so they have the power.

Baseball owners have the power and there's not a gosh darn thing we can do about it. You roll the dice and hope yours runs it like a side gig that's fun, rather than running it like the collateral of other side gigs like ours does.

BPV, And the accompanying investors that came with it, have leveraged our owner to the point he runs the Cardinals like a corporation, and the only shareholders are the investors.

When a company is looking to maximize shareholder wealth, there is almost no scenario where short term low probability outcomes (WS rings) will be given the priority. Once you get to a deadline with flush profit margins, they might push for that season because playoff revenues are outrageous profit margins, and that bump might have scenarios DeWitt would spend, but most likely once he locks in a return for his investors that year, he's pocketing that profit instead.

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