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Joe Shlabotnik wrote:
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PA_Hiker wrote:Gorman with two homers and a double last night, with a batting line now at .262/.304/.456 as the youngest player on the FSL at the time of his callup. The plate discipline needs a little work, but he's clearly holding his own there. It's worth noting that Baseball America had their "best tools" list last week where coaches voted on the best by players in their league, and Gorman was voted the best defensive 3B in the Midwest League. (Dylan Carlson was voted the best defensive OF in the Texas League).
i still think carlson is the better prospect, but it's good to see that gorman is holding his own at 3B.

If he can stick, thats a pretty formidable middle of the order combo in the future.
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Worried about the K-BB ratio, ngl

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Your worried about K/BB ratio for an age 19 -- and barely that -- in an advanced league with a small sample size. His ratio in A ball before the promotion is perfectly fine for his age and skillset.

IMO, his promotions tell you a lot about what he is as a player. Last year, he was promoted out of rookie league for 25 games in A ball. His BB rate promptly dropped, K rate climbed, but his power remained high relative to his BA (ISO). Starting at A ball the next season, he succeeded. Earned a promotion to A+ and his K rate climbed, BB rate dropped, but power remained pretty consistent. Absolutely no reason for worry unless you were convinced he was going to be Bryce Harper and treat the minor leagues like his personal playground. Power is real regardless of the competition, which is an amazing feat. BB rate looks real when he's not completely over his head. K's are part of his game. He's a serious prospect.

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Fat Strat wrote:Your worried about K/BB ratio for an age 19 -- and barely that -- in an advanced league with a small sample size. His ratio in A ball before the promotion is perfectly fine for his age and skillset.

IMO, his promotions tell you a lot about what he is as a player. Last year, he was promoted out of rookie league for 25 games in A ball. His BB rate promptly dropped, K rate climbed, but his power remained high relative to his BA (ISO). Starting at A ball the next season, he succeeded. Earned a promotion to A+ and his K rate climbed, BB rate dropped, but power remained pretty consistent. Absolutely no reason for worry unless you were convinced he was going to be Bryce Harper and treat the minor leagues like his personal playground. Power is real regardless of the competition, which is an amazing feat. BB rate looks real when he's not completely over his head. K's are part of his game. He's a serious prospect.
I wanted the walk rate closer to 12% (for 2019 total in A/A+ ball) if he's going to K 29-30%. Wanted him closer to Ramos and Kelenic's K/BB ratio at the same level. And get the promotion they got as well.

I don't disagree with your post otherwise. He's going to be a starter and a good player. And he's a serious prospect. No doubt.

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The problem with Gorman and K rates is that we might not get to see what an expected K rate for him is at on-age competition until he's 25 and a 3 year MLB vet. If he was K'ing at 20% and walking at 10% at his age and level, then we would be talking about him as the best prospect in baseball, and a generational talent for an organization. Even future HOF caliber players can rarely do that at advanced leagues in their teenage years. Gorman is just not a super prospect and really never tracked toward that. But, even guys like Fernando Tatis Jr. pretty consistently show promotion issues. Consider his '18 AA season. Again, small sample size (smaller than Gormans), but 3.5 BB rate and K rate near 30%, and his ISO tanked. He seems fine now! (That .410 BABIP is noteworthy, though).

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I just read an article detialing Nolan Gorman’s offseason training with driveline; Does the fact that a player is open to analytics and technology upgrade a prospect in your mind and vice versa if a guy doesnt belive in it does that give you pause to believe that it may be harder to max out their ability?

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That alone doesn't really mean much. There's plenty of guys that excel with less info and guys that paralyze themselves with too much. We need more info in terms of how the data is changing things

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