St. Louis Blues Offseason and Season 2022-23

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GeddyWrox wrote:
December 1 22, 10:24 pm
Another game, another onslaught of goals in a short spurt, another loss. JFC
yeah, I'm about ready to throw in the towel

this is supposed to be the best and deepest draft in a long time, so I'd try and flip Tarasenko and O'Reilly for a first each. then with our first, we could package together and move up even higher if there's a guy to target at the top

and try and get someone to take Parayko...whatever is going on with his back, he's just not the same on defense.

I'd also try and move Krug...we just have too many little guys back there. build around Faulk, Rosen, Tucker, Leddy and Mikkola

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cardsfantx wrote:
December 2 22, 8:13 am
GeddyWrox wrote:
December 1 22, 10:24 pm
Another game, another onslaught of goals in a short spurt, another loss. JFC
yeah, I'm about ready to throw in the towel

this is supposed to be the best and deepest draft in a long time, so I'd try and flip Tarasenko and O'Reilly for a first each. then with our first, we could package together and move up even higher if there's a guy to target at the top

and try and get someone to take Parayko...whatever is going on with his back, he's just not the same on defense.

I'd also try and move Krug...we just have too many little guys back there. build around Faulk, Rosen, Tucker, Leddy and Mikkola
Like JC Shutout said a page or two back... not quite ready to throw in the towel yet, but I can see that day coming. I have a real hard time trading O'Reilly though. Just... ouch. Tarasenko, sure. Maybe see what you could get for some of our third/fourth liners, too. Barbashev might have some value.

I like your list of D to build around. On the O side, I wouldn't touch Thomas or Buchnevich. I know we just gave Kyrou that fat contract, but if someone offered some value back in return, I'd listen. I just worry that his contract is going to be an albatross. I don't have that same fear for Thomas.

One thing about the draft... remember the top pick is a lottery. So even if we tanked, we're not guaranteed the #1 pick. There's a prospect who's supposed to be a generational talent this year, too. Droooool.

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GeddyWrox wrote:
December 2 22, 8:45 am
cardsfantx wrote:
December 2 22, 8:13 am
GeddyWrox wrote:
December 1 22, 10:24 pm
Another game, another onslaught of goals in a short spurt, another loss. JFC
yeah, I'm about ready to throw in the towel

this is supposed to be the best and deepest draft in a long time, so I'd try and flip Tarasenko and O'Reilly for a first each. then with our first, we could package together and move up even higher if there's a guy to target at the top

and try and get someone to take Parayko...whatever is going on with his back, he's just not the same on defense.

I'd also try and move Krug...we just have too many little guys back there. build around Faulk, Rosen, Tucker, Leddy and Mikkola
Like JC Shutout said a page or two back... not quite ready to throw in the towel yet, but I can see that day coming. I have a real hard time trading O'Reilly though. Just... ouch. Tarasenko, sure. Maybe see what you could get for some of our third/fourth liners, too. Barbashev might have some value.

I like your list of D to build around. On the O side, I wouldn't touch Thomas or Buchnevich. I know we just gave Kyrou that fat contract, but if someone offered some value back in return, I'd listen. I just worry that his contract is going to be an albatross. I don't have that same fear for Thomas.

One thing about the draft... remember the top pick is a lottery. So even if we tanked, we're not guaranteed the #1 pick. There's a prospect who's supposed to be a generational talent this year, too. Droooool.
once the lottery is over, you can then trade with who ends up with that pick though, correct?

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Connor Bedard. I don't think whoever gets that #1 pick will trade it away.

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Yes, whoever drafts #1 could in theory trade. But like Popeye just said. Not happening.

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I could do without giving up 5 goals in 15 seconds that seems to be a habit.

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So….can we give up now?

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Popeye_Card wrote:
December 2 22, 9:34 am
Connor Bedard. I don't think whoever gets that #1 pick will trade it away.
Right. I'm not sure there is a package that the Blues could offer to entice a bad team to trade a guy that is the biggest prospect since McDavid that will have 7 years of control at a reasonable cost.

Top 10 picks rarely get traded in the NHL. Almost never when the trading team knows the pick is a top 10 pick. That has happened 3 times in the past 10 drafts (#7 in 2022 for Debrincat, #7 in 2017 for Stepan/Raanta, #9 in 2013 for Cory Schneider). It just doesn't happen.

As for the Blues, I'm all in on the retool/rebuild. I'd keep Thomas/Kyrou/Buchnevich from the forward group as well as our prospects. I think we need to keep Parayko/Faulk on defense though I could be sold on Parayko if the value is right. We just are thin on defensive prospects. I think the contracts of Schenn, Binnington, and Krug are probably not tradeable without eating some of the salary or taking back quite a bit of salary.

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I’m coming around on a rebuild (ish). Really just selling expiring contracts to rebuild the farm.

I’d keep Thomas, kyrou, buch, schenn and saad to anchor the top9 as you start to phase in youth. Move saad in a year or two if you’re still needing to rebuild. Otherwise his salary and skill set works well in the top9, and it’s good to work in young players slowly, with veterans around them.

I’d definitely keep Faulk, and I think parayko would be both tough to move for the right return, and tough to replace his ceiling. If you can move krug or leddy, I’d do it.(probably not possible for a year or two) Start phasing in younger dmen, but again, at a nice pace. 1 or so let year, until you find your guys who fit. If krug is third pairing and a power play specialist, then so be it.

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Re: St. Louis Blues Offseason and Season 2022-23

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Pathetic; we can’t even beat practically an AHL Avalanche team

I’m done

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