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GOP Amnesty of Trump

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I feel like this needs its own thread.

I think it's fair to say that Trump is uniquely unqualified to be POTUS. He has, in fact, said and done at least 300 things that disqualify him from the office. Saying of one woman that she's too unattractive to sexually assault. Mocking a disabled person and calling a deaf person on the set of his TV show "retarded." Russia, then circulating the conspiracy theory that Ukraine and the Dem framed Russia. P-grabbing."Very fine people." The list goes forever. Slate published a list of 200+ things that disqualified him from the office in 2016, and he's probably tripled that or more in the last 3+ years.

Campaigns of Gary Hart and Howard Dean ended on infinitely less. Both Bushes, Bill Clinton, Obama, Bob Dole, John Kerry, Al Gore, any one of them would have seen their candidacy go up in smoke if they did even just one of the minor things Trump has done.

Yet he remains, and remains very popular with GOP voters. 84% of GOP respondents in the last YouGov poll approve of the job he's doing. He also is protected by FOX News, Breitbart, and GOP Congressmen and Senators who fight on the lies Trump has committed.

So a few questions.

1a. Is it chicken/egg, and the dog chases its tail? Like, the GOP lawmakers figure the 84% decide their fate? Or do the 84% approve of Trump because of the GOP lawmakers and institutions that protect him/lie for him?

1b. Do these GOP hacks even believe in the garbage they are pushing?

1c. Do these GOP voters even believe in the garbage they hear and vote for?

2. Is there a long game for the GOP? Say what you will about their poor values, they usually are good strategists. Is there something we don't see that they're playing a few moves ahead?

3. If there's not a long game, do they--Ratcliffe, Gym Jordan, Nunes, etc.--look down the road at how history will see them and go "eh, screw it, I'll go ahead and disparage a dignified diplomat who has given her life's work in service to the country"?

Most important, 4. What do they hope to gain from protecting this scumbag?
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4 is easy. Re-election.

And isn’t 3 kinda rhetorical?
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#1 is all about power for the voters, the GOP and Trump. They will just do whatever it takes to stay in power. There is no shame, there is no other explanation - they just want to stay in power. They don't care how it will look later. They don't care if they are caught in blatant lies if they get to stay in power.

2 - There is no long game. The long game is to stay in power. The GOP is better at adapting than the Democrats. They did fight Trump, but once it became clear that's the direction people were going, they all got in line behind him. So if they have a long-term strategy, it's to simply adapt to changing conditions. The Democrats have taken too long to adapt to this new "populism" or whatever you want to call it.

3 They know the right wing will still glorify them. So, they will still look good to history to all the right wing media and hell, even some of the people who write textbooks for that matter.

4 I don't know if they hope to gain anything. They just hope to keep their grip on power.
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Kind of late to the party here, but I'll throw in my 2 cents.

I think Trump overtook the party, bigly. Seriously, go back to 2012 or 2014. All they were doing was blocking obama. They had zero path, seemingly, other than religion and guns. Dubya threw fiscal conservatism to the wind and was in office when the economy took a dump on the American people. He started a quagmire of a war that has drug on longer than any war in the US history. They didn't have the economy to run on, the tide was swinging socially to the left, and the rah-rah military crowd was questioning the war in the first place and...well, what else was there. And, let's be honest. In 2014 it was almost a cinch that Hillary would be the next POTUS. Even in 2016, seemingly.

The GOP threw guys like the 3rd Bush whatever his name was at the office and he was actually seen as the favorite. Rand Paul? Christie? Rubio? Cruz? Just a bag of trash. They had no momentum and their platform was uninspiring to say the least. The middle class, myself included, was fed up with their tired dog and pony show. Then, Trump comes along and out of thin air creates a platform. Now, it's a largely misguided one, but he re-invigorates the pro-military crowd. Gives* credence to the GOP being pro-economy. Dumps on the Washington insiders that everyone was sick of. Dumps on immigrants. Dumps on democrats. And, for a minute, restores energy and pride, for lack of a better term, into the GOP.

He said a lot of things that are largely ridiculous. And, have been proven as such. He's certainly broken traditions as well as laws along the way. But, his base remains strong. I get the feeling a lot of GOPers are bigger fans of trump than of the rest of the GOP combined. In other words, if allowed to keep Trump as POTUS and kick out all GOPers from congress or keep all GOPers in congress and kick out Trump as POTUS, they'd take the former. And, senators and representatives likely feel the same way. As such, they feel like they're forced to be with him. It's really the party of trump now. If trump were to be pro-green new deal tomorrow, the GOP would follow suit.

I think the GOP is completely lost and has been for some time. Trump came along and gave a keel to a sailboat adrift in the ocean. And, once he's gone, whoa boy. Who knows what's going to happen. More than likely, that keel is going to sink and take the rest of the boat with it. But, for the moment, the Nunes and Jordans and Grahams of the world are doing all they can to stay on board to keep their jobs.
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Popeye_Card wrote:4 is easy. Re-election.
Maybe for them it is an easy decision, I just couldn't do it. Re-election is so fleeting. You have to be so short-sighted if you're Ratcliffe or one of the others. Nunes was effectively exposed on every TV channel in America except FOX news this week as a fraudulent corrupt liar. They have to know that 40 years from now 6th graders will be taught about this era in our history and they will be the bad guys. They'll be punch lines. Nunes's grandkids will go for a job and the HR lady will be like "...as in...Nunes Nunes?"
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This whole saga with Trump GOP may be unprecedented in US history. It would be too bizarre for a fictional novel or screenplay to put forth.

Yet, there still is a historical precedence for The GOP Christian right's God of Trump: when times are confusing with rampant ignorance, man has created mythologies and religions to explain things they can't understand. Reason and facts get Trumped in times we don't understand.

Up until recent times, the US was a growing country, with endless frontier, hero's of World Wars etc etc. This is the first generation to see decline in our country's stature and potential.
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It all makes more sense when you look at this through the lens of white supremacy. Apply that filter, and the GOP's blanket amnesty for everything Trump does makes a lot more sense.
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Freed Roger wrote:Yet, there still is a historical precedence for The GOP Christian right's God of Trump: when times are confusing with rampant ignorance, man has created mythologies and religions to explain things they can't understand. Reason and facts get Trumped in times we don't understand.
This is an exceptional read that takes us from the Pilgrims--a weird sub-sub-sect of Puritans--to the present day in the US, detailing our entire history of fantasy things we believe in and how it makes us the lunatics we are.
G. Keenan wrote:It all makes more sense when you look at this through the lens of white supremacy. Apply that filter, and the GOP's blanket amnesty for everything Trump does makes a lot more sense.
Man, but then we have to allow that like 36% of us are white supremacists and another 10% of us are people who are like "eh, white supremacy isn't a deal-breaker."
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G. Keenan wrote:It all makes more sense when you look at this through the lens of white supremacy. Apply that filter, and the GOP's blanket amnesty for everything Trump does makes a lot more sense.
Helps me look thru the lens of white supremacy by taking it back to Trump GOPs Birtherism.

Once that proven insanity didn't sink the ship, it was game on for the Trump GOP racism machine. Not to mention their strategy of putting forth ridiculous harmful fictions into the public realm.
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Freed Roger wrote:
G. Keenan wrote:It all makes more sense when you look at this through the lens of white supremacy. Apply that filter, and the GOP's blanket amnesty for everything Trump does makes a lot more sense.
Helps me look thru the lens of white supremacy by taking it back to Trump GOPs Birtherism.

Once that proven insanity didn't sink the ship, it was game on for the Trump GOP racism machine. Not to mention their strategy of putting forth ridiculous harmful fictions into the public realm.
Exactly. Trump's entire political brand is fundamentally racist. He is, personally, demonstrably a racist. That claim can be supported by much evidence in the public record going back decades. He laid the groundwork for his presidential campaign by relentlessly trashing Obama and spreading the lie that Obama was not really a US citizen and was therefore an illegitimate president. Trump has not only never apologized for his role in the birther conspiracy theory, he has never even acknowledged that he was incorrect. Then, he launched his campaign by attacking immigrants of color, specifically Mexicans, by accusing them of being rapists and criminals. Literally in the first speech of the entire campaign!

He then hired Steve Bannon to be his campaign manager! The guy in charge of his entire immigration policy, Stephen Miller, is a proven we have the receipts level white supremacist. It's like having David Duke working in your White House as one of your most senior advisers.

The GOP is rapidly becoming an ethno-fascist party.
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